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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2005 06:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Fern R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fern R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim--You&#039;re missing my point. Let me explain it again. The Constitution is not some catch all to right every &quot;wrong&quot; decision public officials make. On the contrary, the Constitution allows elected officials broad discretion in how they go about the people&#039;s business and only restricts their activities in relatively few situations. Just because a school (or any other government agency) does something I personally don&#039;t think is wise does not mean they have violated the Constitution. You can try and make this personal for me by including references to my religion and how I want my children to be educated, but that still doesn&#039;t change what the Constitution says nor what it requires.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim&#8211;You&#8217;re missing my point. Let me explain it again. The Constitution is not some catch all to right every &#8220;wrong&#8221; decision public officials make. On the contrary, the Constitution allows elected officials broad discretion in how they go about the people&#8217;s business and only restricts their activities in relatively few situations. Just because a school (or any other government agency) does something I personally don&#8217;t think is wise does not mean they have violated the Constitution. You can try and make this personal for me by including references to my religion and how I want my children to be educated, but that still doesn&#8217;t change what the Constitution says nor what it requires.</p>
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		<title>By: kim</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Fern, if a public school decides to show the Passion of the Christ and spend a whole week disucssing the murder of Jesus by the Jews, you don&#039;t think that offends the Constitution?  I don&#039;t think your child, if subjected to such a discussion, would agree that the courts should not step in.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Fern, if a public school decides to show the Passion of the Christ and spend a whole week disucssing the murder of Jesus by the Jews, you don&#8217;t think that offends the Constitution?  I don&#8217;t think your child, if subjected to such a discussion, would agree that the courts should not step in.</p>
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		<title>By: Transatlantic Zeppelin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Transatlantic Zeppelin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 05:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Judge Judy gets a star; Judge Hatchett ruling overturned&lt;/strong&gt;

The Hollywood Reporter notes: The Hollywood Chamber of Commerce has selected Judge Judy Scheindlin to receive a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame for 2006. Judge Mills Lane can&#039;t be far behind. In other news, The Onion reported recently...
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<p>The Hollywood Reporter notes: The Hollywood Chamber of Commerce has selected Judge Judy Scheindlin to receive a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame for 2006. Judge Mills Lane can&#8217;t be far behind. In other news, The Onion reported recently&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: James Schend</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Schend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 04:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More importantly to me, local cable monopolies stay in place.  That sucks.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More importantly to me, local cable monopolies stay in place.  That sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Fern R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fern R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim--Well, since I am Jewish, I think I&#039;ll choose neither. Which doesn&#039;t change the original meaning of the Establishment Clause. There is a difference between personal preference and what the Constitution permits. Policy decisions (like the amount of religion permitted in a public school, or even if we should have public schools at all) should be left up to the elected branches of government, which is what our Consitution demands.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim&#8211;Well, since I am Jewish, I think I&#8217;ll choose neither. Which doesn&#8217;t change the original meaning of the Establishment Clause. There is a difference between personal preference and what the Constitution permits. Policy decisions (like the amount of religion permitted in a public school, or even if we should have public schools at all) should be left up to the elected branches of government, which is what our Consitution demands.</p>
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		<title>By: Not Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

Jefferson said (and did) many things in his private, personal life that I (and you, I suspect) would disagree with.  Read up on him. And then tell me that I should give as much (or any, for that matter) precedential value to a private letter he wrote, compared with the Constitution.

And while you&#039;re at it, please explain why it took until the first half of the 20th century for the wall of separation argument to find its way from Jefferson&#039;s personal letter to the Supreme Court?  That&#039;s about 150 years!  Was it because the early Americans were just not that enlightened? If that&#039;s the case, why are we trying to abide by a 215 year old document drafted by them?  If we&#039;re so much smarter than them we should just change and add a bunch of stuff to the Constitution that was never contemplated by the founding fathers and which has no basis in the original text of the document.

And then next we can update those old-fashioned tennis rules that just don&#039;t make any sense and were probably made up by folks as unenlightened as our founding fathers.  After all, tennis regulations should be living, breathing rules too...just like the Constitution!  First change: Make tennis more like golf...lowest score wins!  Hey man, I noticed you have 30 and all the people you&#039;re yelling at have &quot;love.&quot;  Sorry, buddy.

P.S. Spellchecker is our friend!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>Jefferson said (and did) many things in his private, personal life that I (and you, I suspect) would disagree with.  Read up on him. And then tell me that I should give as much (or any, for that matter) precedential value to a private letter he wrote, compared with the Constitution.</p>
<p>And while you&#8217;re at it, please explain why it took until the first half of the 20th century for the wall of separation argument to find its way from Jefferson&#8217;s personal letter to the Supreme Court?  That&#8217;s about 150 years!  Was it because the early Americans were just not that enlightened? If that&#8217;s the case, why are we trying to abide by a 215 year old document drafted by them?  If we&#8217;re so much smarter than them we should just change and add a bunch of stuff to the Constitution that was never contemplated by the founding fathers and which has no basis in the original text of the document.</p>
<p>And then next we can update those old-fashioned tennis rules that just don&#8217;t make any sense and were probably made up by folks as unenlightened as our founding fathers.  After all, tennis regulations should be living, breathing rules too&#8230;just like the Constitution!  First change: Make tennis more like golf&#8230;lowest score wins!  Hey man, I noticed you have 30 and all the people you&#8217;re yelling at have &#8220;love.&#8221;  Sorry, buddy.</p>
<p>P.S. Spellchecker is our friend!</p>
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		<title>By: kim</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fern R, so do ya really want your kids in school in Utah to be subject to a Mormon education while my kids in Maryland are taught to support Catholicism, the state sponsored religion there?  If you are really serious about religion, the LAST thing you should want is state involvement or promotion.  Once that starts, don&#039;t get the deluded idea that Karl Rove and the Republicans can limit it to Westerized Protestantism.  Soon the Reverend Moon will buy a few elections and being a Moonie will be the official religion of Rhode Island or something.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fern R, so do ya really want your kids in school in Utah to be subject to a Mormon education while my kids in Maryland are taught to support Catholicism, the state sponsored religion there?  If you are really serious about religion, the LAST thing you should want is state involvement or promotion.  Once that starts, don&#8217;t get the deluded idea that Karl Rove and the Republicans can limit it to Westerized Protestantism.  Soon the Reverend Moon will buy a few elections and being a Moonie will be the official religion of Rhode Island or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Fern R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fern R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Also, I don&#039;t believe I stated the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, or the Federalist Papers in my post.&quot;

I know. Which is my point. If the phrase was found in one of those documents, it would be a legitimate source of Constitutional Law (or in the case of the Federalist Papers, a well respected source of information about the founder&#039;s intentions). Last time I checked, the people of the United States never ratified any of Jefferson&#039;s letters. As such, the fact that one founder used the phrase in one private letter is meaningless and certainly doesn&#039;t make anything a moot point.

If it were the case that one letter from one founder could form a legitimate source of constitutional law, the overwhelming number of documents written at the time Jefferson wrote that letter would negate any legitimacy of Jefferson&#039;s letter.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Also, I don&#8217;t believe I stated the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, or the Federalist Papers in my post.&#8221;</p>
<p>I know. Which is my point. If the phrase was found in one of those documents, it would be a legitimate source of Constitutional Law (or in the case of the Federalist Papers, a well respected source of information about the founder&#8217;s intentions). Last time I checked, the people of the United States never ratified any of Jefferson&#8217;s letters. As such, the fact that one founder used the phrase in one private letter is meaningless and certainly doesn&#8217;t make anything a moot point.</p>
<p>If it were the case that one letter from one founder could form a legitimate source of constitutional law, the overwhelming number of documents written at the time Jefferson wrote that letter would negate any legitimacy of Jefferson&#8217;s letter.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Fern R) And I guess actually reading posts before going off full-cocked is right out of the question.

Notice the word &quot;about&quot;, as in &quot;wrote about&quot;.  And the fact that Jefferson wrote that statement to a Baptist congregation in Connecticut means that it should be held in lesser value than the one penned in Philadelphia?  In that letter, he stated (paraphrasing) that the government would not impose religion on the state, or it&#039;s residents.

Also, I don&#039;t believe I stated the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, or the Federalist Papers in my post.  Regardless of any state&#039;s official religions in the 1700&#039;s, that is not currently the case now.  The 10 Commandments are not found in the al-Qur&#039;an, the Talmud, the Tao-te-ching, or many other international religious texts.  Notice the word &quot;international&quot;, as your state, I am sure, does not currently dictate one religion over another.  All of the above texts exist in the world, along with the many versions of the Judeo-Christian Bible, thus necessitating a need to co-exist.  A judge who has the crucifixtion sitting on his bench next to his gavel does not &quot;imply&quot; impartiality, regardless of intent.

Serving: 30 - love.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Fern R) And I guess actually reading posts before going off full-cocked is right out of the question.</p>
<p>Notice the word &#8220;about&#8221;, as in &#8220;wrote about&#8221;.  And the fact that Jefferson wrote that statement to a Baptist congregation in Connecticut means that it should be held in lesser value than the one penned in Philadelphia?  In that letter, he stated (paraphrasing) that the government would not impose religion on the state, or it&#8217;s residents.</p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t believe I stated the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, or the Federalist Papers in my post.  Regardless of any state&#8217;s official religions in the 1700&#8217;s, that is not currently the case now.  The 10 Commandments are not found in the al-Qur&#8217;an, the Talmud, the Tao-te-ching, or many other international religious texts.  Notice the word &#8220;international&#8221;, as your state, I am sure, does not currently dictate one religion over another.  All of the above texts exist in the world, along with the many versions of the Judeo-Christian Bible, thus necessitating a need to co-exist.  A judge who has the crucifixtion sitting on his bench next to his gavel does not &#8220;imply&#8221; impartiality, regardless of intent.</p>
<p>Serving: 30 &#8211; love.</p>
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		<title>By: Fern R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fern R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael--Before you go off half-cocked, you might want to actually read up on &quot;seperation of church and state.&quot; The phrase is no where in the Constitution, nor in the Bill of Rights, nor in the Federalist Papers. It is a phrase that Thomas Jefferson used in passing in a private letter. At the time of the ratification of the Constitution and Bill of Rights many states had official state religions. The Establishment Clause (before it was incorporated in the 14th Amendment) was meant to keep the federal government from interfering with the state&#039;s right to develop the morality of its citizens. The phrase &quot;seperation of church and state&quot; has no legitimate place in the Court&#039;s Establishment Clause jurisprudence. At least (most) neo-cons know what they&#039;re talking about before they open their mouth (or in this case, set their fingers on the keyboard).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael&#8211;Before you go off half-cocked, you might want to actually read up on &#8220;seperation of church and state.&#8221; The phrase is no where in the Constitution, nor in the Bill of Rights, nor in the Federalist Papers. It is a phrase that Thomas Jefferson used in passing in a private letter. At the time of the ratification of the Constitution and Bill of Rights many states had official state religions. The Establishment Clause (before it was incorporated in the 14th Amendment) was meant to keep the federal government from interfering with the state&#8217;s right to develop the morality of its citizens. The phrase &#8220;seperation of church and state&#8221; has no legitimate place in the Court&#8217;s Establishment Clause jurisprudence. At least (most) neo-cons know what they&#8217;re talking about before they open their mouth (or in this case, set their fingers on the keyboard).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly Doug!

(Katherine) Let&#039;s use this public forum to flog that equine a few more times.  Your personal/family beliefs are irrevelant to the matter of seperation of Church and State.  Whether or not the Dead Sea Scrolls are displayed at the local DMV doesn&#039;t conflict with your beliefs, but may be an insult to ancient Mesopotamians living in your community.  Get over it...

(Nanopundit) The display has nothing to do with which TV program character you slap next to your sculpture.  Well established displays, that have stood without contest, for a undetermined (but I would imagine greater than 5-10yr) period of time are grandfathered into the ruling.  New displays are ruled illegal.  And, before all the NeoCons come out of the wordwork squawking, the opinion that the law is derived from Judeo-Christian beliefs became moot the day the framers wrote about &quot;seperation of church and state&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly Doug!</p>
<p>(Katherine) Let&#8217;s use this public forum to flog that equine a few more times.  Your personal/family beliefs are irrevelant to the matter of seperation of Church and State.  Whether or not the Dead Sea Scrolls are displayed at the local DMV doesn&#8217;t conflict with your beliefs, but may be an insult to ancient Mesopotamians living in your community.  Get over it&#8230;</p>
<p>(Nanopundit) The display has nothing to do with which TV program character you slap next to your sculpture.  Well established displays, that have stood without contest, for a undetermined (but I would imagine greater than 5-10yr) period of time are grandfathered into the ruling.  New displays are ruled illegal.  And, before all the NeoCons come out of the wordwork squawking, the opinion that the law is derived from Judeo-Christian beliefs became moot the day the framers wrote about &#8220;seperation of church and state&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a truly sad day when the only thing people care about is the Ten commandments in the courthouse...

Who cares about ex-wives and -husbands who want legal protection from loonies?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a truly sad day when the only thing people care about is the Ten commandments in the courthouse&#8230;</p>
<p>Who cares about ex-wives and -husbands who want legal protection from loonies?</p>
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		<title>By: camedwards.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>camedwards.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Supreme Court Roundup&lt;/strong&gt;

Lots of decisions by SCOTUS today, and great roundup over at SCOTUSblog. Some highlights: the Supreme Court upheld a federal court order against a display of the religious document on the wall of courthouses in two Kentucky counties. The Court,...
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<p>Lots of decisions by SCOTUS today, and great roundup over at SCOTUSblog. Some highlights: the Supreme Court upheld a federal court order against a display of the religious document on the wall of courthouses in two Kentucky counties. The Court,&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jacqueline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacqueline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not well versed on trackbacking yet, but I wanted to let you know I linked to your SCOTUS ruling today from my blog, pelicanpost.blogspot.com

Great writeup.  I&#039;m sure my readers will appreciate it.  I&#039;ve added you to my favorites and will likely add a permanent link.

-Jacqueline
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not well versed on trackbacking yet, but I wanted to let you know I linked to your SCOTUS ruling today from my blog, pelicanpost.blogspot.com</p>
<p>Great writeup.  I&#8217;m sure my readers will appreciate it.  I&#8217;ve added you to my favorites and will likely add a permanent link.</p>
<p>-Jacqueline</p>
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