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		<title>By: Beth Wellington</title>
		<link>http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/hill-seeks-delay-of-execution/comment-page-1/#comment-10390</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth Wellington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the NYT story of September 21 by Abby Goodnough, &quot;Court Refuses Second Delay; Inmate Dies&quot;

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/21/us/21death.html

&quot;...the court stayed his execution...and told the federal district court in Tallahassee to reconsider his argument that lethal injection was unconstitutionally cruel.&quot;



&quot;The district court rejected the argument again this month without holding a hearing, a decision upheld by the United States Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit, in Atlanta.&quot;

One wonders how the members voting against this stay can issue an order that is ignored, grant and appeal in June and still allow the execution to go forward.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the NYT story of September 21 by Abby Goodnough, &#8220;Court Refuses Second Delay; Inmate Dies&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/21/us/21death.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/21/us/21death.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;the court stayed his execution&#8230;and told the federal district court in Tallahassee to reconsider his argument that lethal injection was unconstitutionally cruel.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The district court rejected the argument again this month without holding a hearing, a decision upheld by the United States Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit, in Atlanta.&#8221;</p>
<p>One wonders how the members voting against this stay can issue an order that is ignored, grant and appeal in June and still allow the execution to go forward.</p>
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		<title>By: txjeansguy</title>
		<link>http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/hill-seeks-delay-of-execution/comment-page-1/#comment-10389</link>
		<dc:creator>txjeansguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kent, I did list Mr. Gomez, incorrectly, as one of his charges.  Thanks for the correction.

&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Words in the Harris opinion that distinguish the case include the ones I quoted from the first line of the opinion.  Whether brought in habeas or S. 1983, the claim that &quot;execution by lethal gas&quot; is unconstitutional in every situation &quot;could have been brought more than a decade ago.&quot;  Of course, your amicus in Hill attempts to conflate the claim that a certain LI protocol is flawed with the claim that LI is always inhumane, but the Court ruled 9-0 against that view.  See also Nelson.  The Court cited Gomez to show this difference.

&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;federalist (and Jeff) just to clarify, when I say there was no stay, I mean that there was no unexpired warrant, and thus nothing to stay, after the Hill Supreme Court decision.  The appellate court waited two months for Bush to issue a warrant.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent, I did list Mr. Gomez, incorrectly, as one of his charges.  Thanks for the correction.</p>
<p>Words in the Harris opinion that distinguish the case include the ones I quoted from the first line of the opinion.  Whether brought in habeas or S. 1983, the claim that &#8220;execution by lethal gas&#8221; is unconstitutional in every situation &#8220;could have been brought more than a decade ago.&#8221;  Of course, your amicus in Hill attempts to conflate the claim that a certain LI protocol is flawed with the claim that LI is always inhumane, but the Court ruled 9-0 against that view.  See also Nelson.  The Court cited Gomez to show this difference.</p>
<p>federalist (and Jeff) just to clarify, when I say there was no stay, I mean that there was no unexpired warrant, and thus nothing to stay, after the Hill Supreme Court decision.  The appellate court waited two months for Bush to issue a warrant.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well ... the Hill opinion suggests my last comment is dubious. It reads as if it invites the denial handed down while doing so w/o closing all possible suits deemed not abusive. To that degree, it was well chosen.

IOW, sends an ugly message, but not necessarily an unjust one. I think it does, but reasonable minds will differ.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well &#8230; the Hill opinion suggests my last comment is dubious. It reads as if it invites the denial handed down while doing so w/o closing all possible suits deemed not abusive. To that degree, it was well chosen.</p>
<p>IOW, sends an ugly message, but not necessarily an unjust one. I think it does, but reasonable minds will differ.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might be said the four who wanted cert. are to blame. Maybe. The five could have summarily disposed it some way all the same.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might be said the four who wanted cert. are to blame. Maybe. The five could have summarily disposed it some way all the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lethal injection protocol issue has been particularly controversial of late. The general concern might have been &quot;known for years&quot; but this is not necessarily conclusive.

I&#039;m not sure where the previous commenter disputed that &quot;the California Director of Corrections, argued that the execution of Robert Alton Harris should go forward.&quot; Snideness is always a dangerous game.

If this issue was there for years, the Supremes also very easily could have taken up a similar case that would not have resulted in this particular result. This &quot;remedyless&quot; result (in practice) was a bit ridiculous, if technically reasonable.

Use some other case to deal with the injection issue. btw I also recall the Gomez case was particularly messy, involving repeated last minute reversals, finally resulting in a slamdown on the 9th Cir. Again, on that pt, this case is not exactly the same.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lethal injection protocol issue has been particularly controversial of late. The general concern might have been &#8220;known for years&#8221; but this is not necessarily conclusive.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure where the previous commenter disputed that &#8220;the California Director of Corrections, argued that the execution of Robert Alton Harris should go forward.&#8221; Snideness is always a dangerous game.</p>
<p>If this issue was there for years, the Supremes also very easily could have taken up a similar case that would not have resulted in this particular result. This &#8220;remedyless&#8221; result (in practice) was a bit ridiculous, if technically reasonable.</p>
<p>Use some other case to deal with the injection issue. btw I also recall the Gomez case was particularly messy, involving repeated last minute reversals, finally resulting in a slamdown on the 9th Cir. Again, on that pt, this case is not exactly the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Scheidegger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Scheidegger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>txjeansguy,

Nope.  Mr. Gomez, the California Director of Corrections, argued that the execution of Robert Alton Harris should go forward.  Did you actually read the opinion, or is your comment based on what you read about it elsewhere?

Not a single word in the opinion indicates that it is based on the distinction you claim.  The sole reason given is the raising of the claim at the eleventh hour for no good reason.  The cases are not distinguishable on the basis of any fact given by the Court as a basis for its decision.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>txjeansguy,</p>
<p>Nope.  Mr. Gomez, the California Director of Corrections, argued that the execution of Robert Alton Harris should go forward.  Did you actually read the opinion, or is your comment based on what you read about it elsewhere?</p>
<p>Not a single word in the opinion indicates that it is based on the distinction you claim.  The sole reason given is the raising of the claim at the eleventh hour for no good reason.  The cases are not distinguishable on the basis of any fact given by the Court as a basis for its decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears from the SCOTUS opinion that Hill filed his first petition 16 days after the death warrant was issued, after unsuccessfully trying to learn the procedure for his execution. That was more than a month before his scheduled execution. Only when his claim ultimately failed in the Florida Supreme Court did he file his federal petition.

That&#039;s not to say he doesn&#039;t want to stall the execution -- obviously, he does. But his claim is peculiar to the method of execution that he expects Florida to use, even though as of the filing of his petition, Florida did not inform him what that method would be. If it were a challenge to lethal injection itself, he could have filed (and probably would have been required to) well before.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears from the SCOTUS opinion that Hill filed his first petition 16 days after the death warrant was issued, after unsuccessfully trying to learn the procedure for his execution. That was more than a month before his scheduled execution. Only when his claim ultimately failed in the Florida Supreme Court did he file his federal petition.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say he doesn&#8217;t want to stall the execution &#8212; obviously, he does. But his claim is peculiar to the method of execution that he expects Florida to use, even though as of the filing of his petition, Florida did not inform him what that method would be. If it were a challenge to lethal injection itself, he could have filed (and probably would have been required to) well before.</p>
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		<title>By: federalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>federalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>txjeansguy:  a couple of things

First, my point was that, unlike Delaware and the feds, Governor Bush was not content to simply let the murderer get rewarded for his last-minute stall tactic

Second, the underlying point that you miss is that states have a right to have executions be carried out in an orderly process.  If prisoners have valid claims about lethal injection, then they need to bring them early in the process, not wait until 5 days before an execution.  What Gomez and Hill stand for is the proposition that states should not be jerked around by these last minute claims.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>txjeansguy:  a couple of things</p>
<p>First, my point was that, unlike Delaware and the feds, Governor Bush was not content to simply let the murderer get rewarded for his last-minute stall tactic</p>
<p>Second, the underlying point that you miss is that states have a right to have executions be carried out in an orderly process.  If prisoners have valid claims about lethal injection, then they need to bring them early in the process, not wait until 5 days before an execution.  What Gomez and Hill stand for is the proposition that states should not be jerked around by these last minute claims.</p>
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		<title>By: txjeansguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>txjeansguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 02:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kent, the two cases are distinguishable.  Mr. Gomez argued &quot;execution by lethal gas&quot; was always unconstitutional, while Mr. Hill argues that the particulars of Florida&#039;s method of execution by lethal injection are unnecessary and cause pain.  Mr. Gomez should have tried to invalidate his sentence, which is what his claim amounted to, in his previous four habeas applations.  Mr. Hill does not seek to preclude enforcement of the sentence, only to enjoin a particularly faulty method of application of that sentence, and so need not have brought the claim in prior habeas petitions.  The 11th Cir. disagrees, apparently, with the latter statement.

&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;federalist, there was no stay.  Bush and the federal courts colluded to kill the case, and Mr. Hill.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent, the two cases are distinguishable.  Mr. Gomez argued &#8220;execution by lethal gas&#8221; was always unconstitutional, while Mr. Hill argues that the particulars of Florida&#8217;s method of execution by lethal injection are unnecessary and cause pain.  Mr. Gomez should have tried to invalidate his sentence, which is what his claim amounted to, in his previous four habeas applations.  Mr. Hill does not seek to preclude enforcement of the sentence, only to enjoin a particularly faulty method of application of that sentence, and so need not have brought the claim in prior habeas petitions.  The 11th Cir. disagrees, apparently, with the latter statement.</p>
<p>federalist, there was no stay.  Bush and the federal courts colluded to kill the case, and Mr. Hill.</p>
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		<title>By: federalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>federalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos to Jeb Bush for resetting the date.  It&#039;s good to see states willing to test federal stays.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to Jeb Bush for resetting the date.  It&#8217;s good to see states willing to test federal stays.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Scheidegger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Scheidegger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the last page of its &lt;i&gt;Hill&lt;/i&gt; opinion, the Supreme Court cites &lt;i&gt;Gomez&lt;/i&gt; v. &lt;i&gt;United States Dist. Court for Northern Dist. of Cal.&lt;/i&gt;, 503 U. S. 653, 654 (1992) (per curiam), indicating it is still good law.  Given that precedent, the Eleventh Circuit and the District Court are clearly correct.  The cases are not distinguishable.  A method-of-execution claim raising objections that have been known for years is raised at the eleventh hour to stop the execution.  In &lt;i&gt;Gomez&lt;/i&gt;, the Court lifted a stay issued by a lower court.  I don&#039;t see the Court turning around and doing the opposite here.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the last page of its <i>Hill</i> opinion, the Supreme Court cites <i>Gomez</i> v. <i>United States Dist. Court for Northern Dist. of Cal.</i>, 503 U. S. 653, 654 (1992) (per curiam), indicating it is still good law.  Given that precedent, the Eleventh Circuit and the District Court are clearly correct.  The cases are not distinguishable.  A method-of-execution claim raising objections that have been known for years is raised at the eleventh hour to stop the execution.  In <i>Gomez</i>, the Court lifted a stay issued by a lower court.  I don&#8217;t see the Court turning around and doing the opposite here.</p>
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