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		<dc:creator>Toyota  Highlander</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Toyota  Highlander&lt;/strong&gt;

The standard front-wheel-drive, four-cylinder Highlander makes a superb wagon for the city and suburbs, especially now that traction control and stability control are standard equipment.
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<p>The standard front-wheel-drive, four-cylinder Highlander makes a superb wagon for the city and suburbs, especially now that traction control and stability control are standard equipment.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Nissan 350Z</dc:creator>
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The 350Z is available as a hatchback coupe and a convertible. The coupe comes in base, Enthusiast, Performance, Touring, Track, and 35th Anniversary Edition.
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<p>The 350Z is available as a hatchback coupe and a convertible. The coupe comes in base, Enthusiast, Performance, Touring, Track, and 35th Anniversary Edition.</p>
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		<dc:creator>2005 Mitsubishi Lancer Review</dc:creator>
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The best value, most sensible and most popular model is the Lancer ES, a pleasant sedan with a smooth ride, good handling, and a comfortable, nicely trimmed interior.
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		<dc:creator>2005 Toyota Celica Review</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;2005 Toyota Celica Review&lt;/strong&gt;

Celica offers a 140-hp GT model with standard 5-speed manual transmission and a 180-hp GT-S with 6-speed manual.
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<p>Celica offers a 140-hp GT model with standard 5-speed manual transmission and a 180-hp GT-S with 6-speed manual.</p>
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		<dc:creator>2005 Volkswagen Jetta Review</dc:creator>
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		<dc:creator>2005 Ford Focus Review</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;2005 Ford Focus Review&lt;/strong&gt;

For the 2005 model year, the Focus received a minor styling makeover, inside and out, giving it a slightly more subdued, mature look.
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<p>For the 2005 model year, the Focus received a minor styling makeover, inside and out, giving it a slightly more subdued, mature look.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, I&#039;m not sure, but I think the &lt;i&gt;Erie&lt;/i&gt; doctrine would necessitate the federal court to use Florida law.

And Tim, I agree COunt 8 is very problematic.  Assuming that what Congress did was constitutional, it seems to me that the federal court would be obliged to start a whole new trial and disregard any of the judgments of the state courts.  It makes me wonder why the parents didn&#039;t raise this on their first complaint, since I think all of their previous causes of action have been meritless.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, I&#8217;m not sure, but I think the <i>Erie</i> doctrine would necessitate the federal court to use Florida law.</p>
<p>And Tim, I agree COunt 8 is very problematic.  Assuming that what Congress did was constitutional, it seems to me that the federal court would be obliged to start a whole new trial and disregard any of the judgments of the state courts.  It makes me wonder why the parents didn&#8217;t raise this on their first complaint, since I think all of their previous causes of action have been meritless.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Apparently Florida law does require &quot;clear and convincing&quot; evidence of the patient&#039;s desire before cutting off nutrition, so the federal claim could at least be that Florida has violated the Florida standard in letting Judge Greer use evidence that is not clear and convincing. &lt;/i&gt;

Can federal courts do that?  I don&#039;t think federal courts can second guess how a state court has interpreted a state law, can it?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Apparently Florida law does require &#8220;clear and convincing&#8221; evidence of the patient&#8217;s desire before cutting off nutrition, so the federal claim could at least be that Florida has violated the Florida standard in letting Judge Greer use evidence that is not clear and convincing. </i></p>
<p>Can federal courts do that?  I don&#8217;t think federal courts can second guess how a state court has interpreted a state law, can it?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark A. R. Kleiman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark A. R. Kleiman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Running out of running room&lt;/strong&gt;

The save-Terri forces run out of options.
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<p>The save-Terri forces run out of options.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of their new counts look persuasive to me, but count 8 might get them an injunction because it seems to require an extensive review of the record to even figure out if it has any merit.  If the district judge hasn&#039;t read the whole record yet (and somehow I doubt he has), he might issue an injuction just to get enough time to review the record.  Under &#039;all writs&#039; authority?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of their new counts look persuasive to me, but count 8 might get them an injunction because it seems to require an extensive review of the record to even figure out if it has any merit.  If the district judge hasn&#8217;t read the whole record yet (and somehow I doubt he has), he might issue an injuction just to get enough time to review the record.  Under &#8216;all writs&#8217; authority?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Rasmusen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Rasmusen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently Florida law does require &quot;clear and convincing&quot; evidence of the patient&#039;s desire before cutting off nutrition, so the federal claim could at least be that Florida has violated the Florida standard in letting Judge Greer use evidence that is not clear and convincing.

As your post says, though, there seems not to be a federal standard. The federal court could say that as far as the 14th Amendment right to life goes,  killing Terri Schiavo just needs a preponderance of evidence, or maybe that she can be killed so long as there is not clear and convincing evidence that she did *not* want to be killed, or they could require proof of her desire to die &quot;beyond a reasonable doubt&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently Florida law does require &#8220;clear and convincing&#8221; evidence of the patient&#8217;s desire before cutting off nutrition, so the federal claim could at least be that Florida has violated the Florida standard in letting Judge Greer use evidence that is not clear and convincing.</p>
<p>As your post says, though, there seems not to be a federal standard. The federal court could say that as far as the 14th Amendment right to life goes,  killing Terri Schiavo just needs a preponderance of evidence, or maybe that she can be killed so long as there is not clear and convincing evidence that she did *not* want to be killed, or they could require proof of her desire to die &#8220;beyond a reasonable doubt&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marty&#039;s view of the &quot;Cruzan claim&quot; is the same as mine.  Cruzan simply did not require that a &quot;clear and convincing evidence&quot; standard be imposed in these situations.  It merely said that it was permissible for a State to impose such a requirement.

It seems to me that one could plead a colorable substantive due process claim under these circumstances, but the &quot;Cruzan claim&quot; is not it.  One could argue, for example, that the Due Process Clause NEVER permits an incompetent person to be deprived of food and water, or that it never permits that absent written evidence of their intent, or that it never permits that absent total consensus from all close relatives, etc.

All of these hypothetical claims are invitations to &quot;judicial activism&quot; to some degree, asking the courts to draft a better right-to-die statute than the Florida Legislature.  But since the Schindler&#039;s goal at this point is simply to get in the courthosue door with a colorable claim, it seems like something along these lines would have been their best shot.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marty&#8217;s view of the &#8220;Cruzan claim&#8221; is the same as mine.  Cruzan simply did not require that a &#8220;clear and convincing evidence&#8221; standard be imposed in these situations.  It merely said that it was permissible for a State to impose such a requirement.</p>
<p>It seems to me that one could plead a colorable substantive due process claim under these circumstances, but the &#8220;Cruzan claim&#8221; is not it.  One could argue, for example, that the Due Process Clause NEVER permits an incompetent person to be deprived of food and water, or that it never permits that absent written evidence of their intent, or that it never permits that absent total consensus from all close relatives, etc.</p>
<p>All of these hypothetical claims are invitations to &#8220;judicial activism&#8221; to some degree, asking the courts to draft a better right-to-die statute than the Florida Legislature.  But since the Schindler&#8217;s goal at this point is simply to get in the courthosue door with a colorable claim, it seems like something along these lines would have been their best shot.</p>
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		<title>By: The Volokh Conspiracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Volokh Conspiracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;On to the Supreme Court:&lt;/strong&gt;

The en banc Eleventh Circuit has &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scotusblog.com/movabletype/archives/schiavo.enbanc.denial.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;declined to review&lt;/a&gt; last night&#039;s panel decision in the Schiavo case by a vote of 10-2, meaning that the next stage is to file a petit...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>On to the Supreme Court:</strong></p>
<p>The en banc Eleventh Circuit has <a href="http://www.scotusblog.com/movabletype/archives/schiavo.enbanc.denial.pdf" rel="nofollow">declined to review</a> last night&#8217;s panel decision in the Schiavo case by a vote of 10-2, meaning that the next stage is to file a petit&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Discourse.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Discourse.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;New Schiavo Complaint&lt;/strong&gt;

SCOTUSblog has the details, Further Updates on Schiavo Case &#8212; CTA11 Decision and Amended Complaint, Meanwhile, back in the district court, the parents have filed an amended complaint in which they have added claims under the Americans with Disabi...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>New Schiavo Complaint</strong></p>
<p>SCOTUSblog has the details, Further Updates on Schiavo Case &#8212; CTA11 Decision and Amended Complaint, Meanwhile, back in the district court, the parents have filed an amended complaint in which they have added claims under the Americans with Disabi&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Discourse.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Discourse.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;New Schiavo Complaint&lt;/strong&gt;

SCOTUSblog has the detaisl, Further Updates on Schiavo Case &#8212; CTA11 Decision and Amended Complaint, Meanwhile, back in the district court, the parents have filed an amended complaint in which they have added claims under the Americans with Disabi...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>New Schiavo Complaint</strong></p>
<p>SCOTUSblog has the detaisl, Further Updates on Schiavo Case &#8212; CTA11 Decision and Amended Complaint, Meanwhile, back in the district court, the parents have filed an amended complaint in which they have added claims under the Americans with Disabi&#8230;</p>
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