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	<title>Comments on: Court rejects campaign ad case</title>
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		<title>By: Sean O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/court-rejects-campaign-ad-case/comment-page-1/#comment-15338</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is understandable why we have Saucier, but isn&#039;t it a little goofy?  First, the &quot;creating law&quot; rationale smells a little bit like creating advisory opinions.  Second, at the end of the day, courts are in the business of making judgments--the reasoning behind them is somewhat secondary--so it seems that the &quot;this is how you&#039;ll do your opinion&quot; mandate seems out of place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is understandable why we have Saucier, but isn&#8217;t it a little goofy?  First, the &#8220;creating law&#8221; rationale smells a little bit like creating advisory opinions.  Second, at the end of the day, courts are in the business of making judgments&#8211;the reasoning behind them is somewhat secondary&#8211;so it seems that the &#8220;this is how you&#8217;ll do your opinion&#8221; mandate seems out of place.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Lamb</title>
		<link>http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/court-rejects-campaign-ad-case/comment-page-1/#comment-15332</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Lamb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard,

I am no Fourth Amendment expert, but my guess is that the Supreme&#039;s are considering overruling the requirement from Suacier that, in qualified immunity cases, the lower federal courts consider the constitutional prong of the two-step analysis before they decide the clearly established law prong.  For example, in Pearson, the Tenth Circuit simply could have said &quot;we don&#039;t need to address whether the consent once removed doctrine applies because neither we nor the Supreme Court has addressed the question and thus there is no way that the officers&#039; actions could have been in contravention of clearly established law.&quot;  Under Saucier, however, the Tenth Circuit had to address the constitutionality of the search first.  Several justices have griped about this requirement and I am guessing they will overturn it.  This will make lower courts&#039; job in qualified immunity cases much easier but will mean that most constitutional law (at least in the criminal context) will be created on direct review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<p>I am no Fourth Amendment expert, but my guess is that the Supreme&#8217;s are considering overruling the requirement from Suacier that, in qualified immunity cases, the lower federal courts consider the constitutional prong of the two-step analysis before they decide the clearly established law prong.  For example, in Pearson, the Tenth Circuit simply could have said &#8220;we don&#8217;t need to address whether the consent once removed doctrine applies because neither we nor the Supreme Court has addressed the question and thus there is no way that the officers&#8217; actions could have been in contravention of clearly established law.&#8221;  Under Saucier, however, the Tenth Circuit had to address the constitutionality of the search first.  Several justices have griped about this requirement and I am guessing they will overturn it.  This will make lower courts&#8217; job in qualified immunity cases much easier but will mean that most constitutional law (at least in the criminal context) will be created on direct review.</p>
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		<title>By: RichardSamp</title>
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		<dc:creator>RichardSamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be interested in hearing from a 4th Amendment expert regarding why the Court is considering overruling Saucier.  I am bewildered.  It is hard to believe that the concurring justices in Saucier (Ginsburg, Stevens, and Breyer) want to overrule it.  They objected to the Saucier majority&#039;s use of a two-step inquiry in determining good-faith immunity when (as in Saucier) the claim is that police used excessive force; Justice Ginsburg argued that the second step was superfluous because because the inquiry is essentially the same at both stages:  was the officer&#039;s use of force reasonable under all the circumstances?  Ginsburg contrasted Saucier to previous cases (such as Anderson) involving the reasonableness of a search; in that category of cases, she deemed a two-step inquiry entirely appropriate.

Because Pearson is a 4th Amendment case involving search of a home, one would suppose that Justices Ginsburg, Stevens, and Breyer believe that the two-step inquiry mandated by Saucier is entirely appropriate in this case.  So it seems improbable that they would seek to use Pearson as a vehicle for overturning Saucier.  If so, who is it that wants to overturn Saucier?  Is it possible that more conservative justices think that the current structure of good-faith immunity is insufficiently protective of police officers and are considering re-writing the law in a way that dramatically expands the scope of good-faith immunity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be interested in hearing from a 4th Amendment expert regarding why the Court is considering overruling Saucier.  I am bewildered.  It is hard to believe that the concurring justices in Saucier (Ginsburg, Stevens, and Breyer) want to overrule it.  They objected to the Saucier majority&#8217;s use of a two-step inquiry in determining good-faith immunity when (as in Saucier) the claim is that police used excessive force; Justice Ginsburg argued that the second step was superfluous because because the inquiry is essentially the same at both stages:  was the officer&#8217;s use of force reasonable under all the circumstances?  Ginsburg contrasted Saucier to previous cases (such as Anderson) involving the reasonableness of a search; in that category of cases, she deemed a two-step inquiry entirely appropriate.</p>
<p>Because Pearson is a 4th Amendment case involving search of a home, one would suppose that Justices Ginsburg, Stevens, and Breyer believe that the two-step inquiry mandated by Saucier is entirely appropriate in this case.  So it seems improbable that they would seek to use Pearson as a vehicle for overturning Saucier.  If so, who is it that wants to overturn Saucier?  Is it possible that more conservative justices think that the current structure of good-faith immunity is insufficiently protective of police officers and are considering re-writing the law in a way that dramatically expands the scope of good-faith immunity?</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Friedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Friedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So was the 9th Circuit actually right in Saucier?  Haha.  Or do the Supremes intend to make police immunity from liability absolute (on the grounds that if they can&#039;t agree on what the 4th amendment means, how can a cop)?  Looks like a power law at work -- the 4th amendment gets half the protection of the 2nd, the 8th gets 1/3 (only applies in punitive damage cases), and OMG the court is picking holes in the 16th (Boulware)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So was the 9th Circuit actually right in Saucier?  Haha.  Or do the Supremes intend to make police immunity from liability absolute (on the grounds that if they can&#8217;t agree on what the 4th amendment means, how can a cop)?  Looks like a power law at work &#8212; the 4th amendment gets half the protection of the 2nd, the 8th gets 1/3 (only applies in punitive damage cases), and OMG the court is picking holes in the 16th (Boulware)</p>
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