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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Ask the Author&#8221; with Jeffrey Toobin: Part 2</title>
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		<title>By: Kent Scheidegger</title>
		<link>http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/ask-the-author-with-jeffrey-toobin-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-12004</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent Scheidegger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is another  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nysun.com/article/63277?page_no=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;review&lt;/a&gt; by Ann Althouse in the New York Sun.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is another  <a href="http://www.nysun.com/article/63277?page_no=1" rel="nofollow">review</a> by Ann Althouse in the New York Sun.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Rice</title>
		<link>http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/ask-the-author-with-jeffrey-toobin-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-12003</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 03:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon, that&#039;s a fair point.  Really, almost everything published about the current court is speculation (some go as far as to call it &quot;court gossip&quot;).  It should all be taken with a grain of salt.

Still, rereading Garrow&#039;s LA Times article (Thank you Kent) raises some doubts about the book.  Garrow writes that the book &quot;showcases debatable opinions rather than thorough research or original reporting&quot; and this appears to be true.

Also, Toobin&#039;s reasoning or tendency to jump to simple or easy conclusions is troubling.  He immediately assumed Scalia implied Thomas was &quot;a nut&quot; is a speech a couple years ago, which is not necessarily at all the case (see the Sep. 21 Round Up).  Also, in response to Tom&#039;s thoughtful post about the possible outcomes of some major cases this next term, Toobin said this: &quot;The point remains that Kennedy is usually in the conservative camp, and I see no reason why that will change.&quot;  Tom&#039;s speculation was much more exact and detailed that this general statement...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon, that&#8217;s a fair point.  Really, almost everything published about the current court is speculation (some go as far as to call it &#8220;court gossip&#8221;).  It should all be taken with a grain of salt.</p>
<p>Still, rereading Garrow&#8217;s LA Times article (Thank you Kent) raises some doubts about the book.  Garrow writes that the book &#8220;showcases debatable opinions rather than thorough research or original reporting&#8221; and this appears to be true.</p>
<p>Also, Toobin&#8217;s reasoning or tendency to jump to simple or easy conclusions is troubling.  He immediately assumed Scalia implied Thomas was &#8220;a nut&#8221; is a speech a couple years ago, which is not necessarily at all the case (see the Sep. 21 Round Up).  Also, in response to Tom&#8217;s thoughtful post about the possible outcomes of some major cases this next term, Toobin said this: &#8220;The point remains that Kennedy is usually in the conservative camp, and I see no reason why that will change.&#8221;  Tom&#8217;s speculation was much more exact and detailed that this general statement&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Scheidegger</title>
		<link>http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/ask-the-author-with-jeffrey-toobin-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-12002</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent Scheidegger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erik, see the LA Times review linked in the Sept. 18 Round-Up post in this blog.  I will also paste the link in this comment, but I&#039;m not sure if it will work.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/scotus/la-et-book18sep18,1,215389.story?coll=la-news-politics-supreme_court
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erik, see the LA Times review linked in the Sept. 18 Round-Up post in this blog.  I will also paste the link in this comment, but I&#8217;m not sure if it will work.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/scotus/la-et-book18sep18,1,215389.story?coll=la-news-politics-supreme_court" rel="nofollow">http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/scotus/la-et-book18sep18,1,215389.story?coll=la-news-politics-supreme_court</a></p>
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		<title>By: Simon Dodd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Dodd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Toobin&#039;s account of Justice O&#039;Connor&#039;s retirement is very different from other recent writing on the subject (as was pointed out to him in reference to Greenburg&#039;s new book).&lt;/blockquote&gt;This point&#039;s highlighted by the problem that so far as we know, the only people in the room were Rehnquist and O&#039;Connor -- so there are only two possible sources for what happened and the Chief ain&#039;t talking.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Toobin&#8217;s account of Justice O&#8217;Connor&#8217;s retirement is very different from other recent writing on the subject (as was pointed out to him in reference to Greenburg&#8217;s new book).</p></blockquote>
<p>This point&#8217;s highlighted by the problem that so far as we know, the only people in the room were Rehnquist and O&#8217;Connor &#8212; so there are only two possible sources for what happened and the Chief ain&#8217;t talking.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Rice</title>
		<link>http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/ask-the-author-with-jeffrey-toobin-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-12000</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone have any thoughts on the credibility of this book?  Toobin claims to have only interviewed justices or their clerks, but his lack of actual citation has led some to question certain parts of the book...

Warren Rudman flat out denies Souter even considered resigning after Bush v. Gore; Justice Breyer contradicts Toobin&#039;s claim that the justices were anything but civil to each other in conference during the same case, and Toobin&#039;s account of Justice O&#039;Connor&#039;s retirement is very different from other recent writing on the subject (as was pointed out to him in reference to Greenburg&#039;s new book).

Thoughts?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone have any thoughts on the credibility of this book?  Toobin claims to have only interviewed justices or their clerks, but his lack of actual citation has led some to question certain parts of the book&#8230;</p>
<p>Warren Rudman flat out denies Souter even considered resigning after Bush v. Gore; Justice Breyer contradicts Toobin&#8217;s claim that the justices were anything but civil to each other in conference during the same case, and Toobin&#8217;s account of Justice O&#8217;Connor&#8217;s retirement is very different from other recent writing on the subject (as was pointed out to him in reference to Greenburg&#8217;s new book).</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Scheidegger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Scheidegger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc, I agree with much of what you say in your first paragraph, but the fact that &quot;other factors&quot; were involved in determining the Nixon-Humphrey race does not mean that the Supreme Court was not a factor. In a race as close as that one (or Bush-Gore or Bush-Kerry), a relatively minor issue (in terms of public awareness and concern) could tip the balance.

In terms of the coming election, I doubt that any significant number of people who are &quot;outraged&quot; by &lt;i&gt;Bush v. Gore&lt;/i&gt; are not already dead set against the Republican party for other reasons. On the other hand, the issues discussed in Tom&#039;s post yesterday might tip a few people who are otherwise on the fence.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc, I agree with much of what you say in your first paragraph, but the fact that &#8220;other factors&#8221; were involved in determining the Nixon-Humphrey race does not mean that the Supreme Court was not a factor. In a race as close as that one (or Bush-Gore or Bush-Kerry), a relatively minor issue (in terms of public awareness and concern) could tip the balance.</p>
<p>In terms of the coming election, I doubt that any significant number of people who are &#8220;outraged&#8221; by <i>Bush v. Gore</i> are not already dead set against the Republican party for other reasons. On the other hand, the issues discussed in Tom&#8217;s post yesterday might tip a few people who are otherwise on the fence.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Shepherd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Shepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you have to view &lt;i&gt;Bush v. Gore&lt;/i&gt; in the context of overall public attitudes towards the Supreme Court. Most of the population could not even name one justice. There has probably never been an election in which the Supreme Court was the dominant issue that decided the outcome. Nixon&#039;s victory in 1968 is sometimes cited as an example, but although he certainly campaigned on reforming the Court, Humphrey&#039;s loss was likely determined by other factors. Most Americans don&#039;t have more than a 15-minute attention span for Supreme Court decisions, practically no matter what outcome.

Taken in that context, &lt;i&gt;Bush v. Gore&lt;/i&gt; is no more &quot;an obsession of the angry Left&quot; than &lt;i&gt;Roe v. Wade&lt;/i&gt; is &quot;an obsession of the angry Right.&quot; For the respective sides, both cases represent a dark day in Supreme Court jurisprudence. Most neutral observers don&#039;t consider either case an example of model judging. If conservatives are more animated about about &lt;i&gt;Roe&lt;/i&gt;, it&#039;s only because that case has ongoing vitality, whereas &lt;i&gt;Bush v. Gore&lt;/i&gt; was basically a one-time event confined to its facts.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you have to view <i>Bush v. Gore</i> in the context of overall public attitudes towards the Supreme Court. Most of the population could not even name one justice. There has probably never been an election in which the Supreme Court was the dominant issue that decided the outcome. Nixon&#8217;s victory in 1968 is sometimes cited as an example, but although he certainly campaigned on reforming the Court, Humphrey&#8217;s loss was likely determined by other factors. Most Americans don&#8217;t have more than a 15-minute attention span for Supreme Court decisions, practically no matter what outcome.</p>
<p>Taken in that context, <i>Bush v. Gore</i> is no more &#8220;an obsession of the angry Left&#8221; than <i>Roe v. Wade</i> is &#8220;an obsession of the angry Right.&#8221; For the respective sides, both cases represent a dark day in Supreme Court jurisprudence. Most neutral observers don&#8217;t consider either case an example of model judging. If conservatives are more animated about about <i>Roe</i>, it&#8217;s only because that case has ongoing vitality, whereas <i>Bush v. Gore</i> was basically a one-time event confined to its facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Dodd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Dodd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kent - presumably, Jeff hopes to change that. Hence the book&#039;s sub-subtitle, &quot;if you aren&#039;t outraged now, you will be after I tell you &lt;i&gt;this&lt;/i&gt;.&quot; ;)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent &#8211; presumably, Jeff hopes to change that. Hence the book&#8217;s sub-subtitle, &#8220;if you aren&#8217;t outraged now, you will be after I tell you <i>this</i>.&#8221; ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Scheidegger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Scheidegger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The passage of time heals a lot of wounds. As with so much else, too, the events of 9/11 turned attention away from everything else, including the Court and &lt;i&gt;Bush v. Gore&lt;/i&gt;.&quot;

Actually, a Gallup poll taken seven months after &lt;i&gt;Bush v. Gore&lt;/i&gt; and before 9/11 showed that the Court was already a tad higher in the public&#039;s esteem than it was in a poll taken before the election.

&lt;i&gt;Bush v. Gore&lt;/i&gt; is an obsession of the Angry Left. The American people as a whole did not see it as tarnishing the Court.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The passage of time heals a lot of wounds. As with so much else, too, the events of 9/11 turned attention away from everything else, including the Court and <i>Bush v. Gore</i>.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, a Gallup poll taken seven months after <i>Bush v. Gore</i> and before 9/11 showed that the Court was already a tad higher in the public&#8217;s esteem than it was in a poll taken before the election.</p>
<p><i>Bush v. Gore</i> is an obsession of the Angry Left. The American people as a whole did not see it as tarnishing the Court.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Dodd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Dodd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Thomas did not ask a question - for the entire year!&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Clearly a compliment to exemplary and thorough briefing by the parties and amici...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;Thomas did not ask a question &#8211; for the entire year!&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Clearly a compliment to exemplary and thorough briefing by the parties and amici&#8230;</p>
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