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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 02:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Do I gather that Justice Stevens is ‘Acting Chief Justice’? Does this give him any tactical advantage?&lt;/blockquote&gt;When the Chief Justice is incapacitated or recused, the next most senior Justice presides over oral arguments. I assume (but do not &lt;i&gt;know&lt;/i&gt;) that the same applies to opinion assignment: when the Chief Justice is not in the majority, the next most senior Justice who &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; in the majority assigns the opinion. Thus my guess is that the opinion in this case will either be assigned by Stevens or Scalia, as the next two most senior justices, depending on which of those two gets a majority.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Do I gather that Justice Stevens is ‘Acting Chief Justice’? Does this give him any tactical advantage?</p></blockquote>
<p>When the Chief Justice is incapacitated or recused, the next most senior Justice presides over oral arguments. I assume (but do not <i>know</i>) that the same applies to opinion assignment: when the Chief Justice is not in the majority, the next most senior Justice who <i>is</i> in the majority assigns the opinion. Thus my guess is that the opinion in this case will either be assigned by Stevens or Scalia, as the next two most senior justices, depending on which of those two gets a majority.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Cotta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy Cotta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps Neal Katyal made the point well at the end of his oral argument:

“It was a great American patriot, Thomas Paine, who warned, ‘He who -- that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression, for if he violates that duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach unto himself.’”

Do I gather that Justice Stevens is ‘Acting Chief Justice’? Does this give him any tactical advantage? Could he get a 5-3 against Scalia, Thomas and Alito by, for example, asking Kennedy to write a majority finding that claimed jurisdiction but reserved the Court’s right to review the validity of the Military Commission until after Hamdan has had his hearing (which seems to be an idea that appeals to him)? Souter, Breyer, Ginsberg and Stevens himself could then join the judgement but write separate opinions as to reasons, if need be. That would keep things afloat – which may be the way they want to play it.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Neal Katyal made the point well at the end of his oral argument:</p>
<p>“It was a great American patriot, Thomas Paine, who warned, ‘He who &#8212; that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression, for if he violates that duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach unto himself.’”</p>
<p>Do I gather that Justice Stevens is ‘Acting Chief Justice’? Does this give him any tactical advantage? Could he get a 5-3 against Scalia, Thomas and Alito by, for example, asking Kennedy to write a majority finding that claimed jurisdiction but reserved the Court’s right to review the validity of the Military Commission until after Hamdan has had his hearing (which seems to be an idea that appeals to him)? Souter, Breyer, Ginsberg and Stevens himself could then join the judgement but write separate opinions as to reasons, if need be. That would keep things afloat – which may be the way they want to play it.</p>
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		<title>By: Adamos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adamos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If the Supreme Court wants to give full access to the courts to our enemies...&quot;

If Brian G wants to discard the presumption of innocence, then Congress should read the Constitution and add that no case is to be tried at any court all year long.

Of course it wouldn&#039;t happen, but in theory it would be permissible.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If the Supreme Court wants to give full access to the courts to our enemies&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>If Brian G wants to discard the presumption of innocence, then Congress should read the Constitution and add that no case is to be tried at any court all year long.</p>
<p>Of course it wouldn&#8217;t happen, but in theory it would be permissible.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Howley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Howley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a quick rejoinder to Brian G:
Not sure what you mean about the Supreme Court &quot;giv[ing] full access to the courts to our enemies.&quot; The 5th Amendment of the Constitution - promulgated a couple hundred years before the current Court donned its robes - already prohibits the deprival of life, liberty, or property for any &lt;em&gt;&quot;person&quot;&lt;/em&gt; - not any American or even any non-&quot;enemy&quot;  - without due process of law. That very determination is what this is all about, after all: Who&#039;s to say who&#039;s an enemy or not without real due process, and do these Military Commissions provide that due process in light of the standards we have accepted?

Compare civilian criminals, whom one might rightly term &quot;enemies&quot; of society: regardless of how reprehensible the public may perceive them, we insist on trying them in court rather than in public opinion, thereby risking their acquittal, for the sake of preserving our constitutional values. Though the venue may be different (military as opposed to civilian), the normative values argument is the same. Ergo, what logical objection can there be to stripping the federal courts of their jurisdiction?

Anyway, correct me if I&#039;m wrong (this law student has too many papers due right now to have read the briefs), but I don&#039;t think anyone in this case is arguing that the Supreme Court should be deciding the substantive facts of Hamdan&#039;s (or anyone else&#039;s) detention. What&#039;s at stake is the sufficiency of the military commissions to deciding on those facts. &lt;i&gt;N&#039;est-ce pas?&lt;/i&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a quick rejoinder to Brian G:<br />
Not sure what you mean about the Supreme Court &quot;giv[ing] full access to the courts to our enemies.&quot; The 5th Amendment of the Constitution &#8211; promulgated a couple hundred years before the current Court donned its robes &#8211; already prohibits the deprival of life, liberty, or property for any <em>&quot;person&quot;</em> &#8211; not any American or even any non-&quot;enemy&quot;  &#8211; without due process of law. That very determination is what this is all about, after all: Who&#8217;s to say who&#8217;s an enemy or not without real due process, and do these Military Commissions provide that due process in light of the standards we have accepted?</p>
<p>Compare civilian criminals, whom one might rightly term &quot;enemies&quot; of society: regardless of how reprehensible the public may perceive them, we insist on trying them in court rather than in public opinion, thereby risking their acquittal, for the sake of preserving our constitutional values. Though the venue may be different (military as opposed to civilian), the normative values argument is the same. Ergo, what logical objection can there be to stripping the federal courts of their jurisdiction?</p>
<p>Anyway, correct me if I&#8217;m wrong (this law student has too many papers due right now to have read the briefs), but I don&#8217;t think anyone in this case is arguing that the Supreme Court should be deciding the substantive facts of Hamdan&#8217;s (or anyone else&#8217;s) detention. What&#8217;s at stake is the sufficiency of the military commissions to deciding on those facts. <i>N&#8217;est-ce pas?</i></p>
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		<title>By: Brian G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Supreme Court wants to give full access to the courts to our enemies, Congress should read the Constitution and add that every case is to be tried at the Supreme Court all summer long, with the Justices sitting as triers of fact in every petition, without the ability to appoint a special master:

Article III states in relevant part, &quot;...the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.&quot;

Of course it wouldn&#039;t happen, but in theory it would be permissible.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Supreme Court wants to give full access to the courts to our enemies, Congress should read the Constitution and add that every case is to be tried at the Supreme Court all summer long, with the Justices sitting as triers of fact in every petition, without the ability to appoint a special master:</p>
<p>Article III states in relevant part, &#8220;&#8230;the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course it wouldn&#8217;t happen, but in theory it would be permissible.</p>
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		<title>By: Commentator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Commentator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me explain why I think Scalia&#039;s public comments suggest he is angling for a 5-3.

Chiefly, Who is Scalia addressing? Obivously, at the lowest level of generality, he was replying to a question posed; thus, he was addressing the poser of the question. At a higher level of generality -- one that takes politics into account, Scalia is mobilizing conservatives (e.g., Ed Whelan and his audience, Rush Limbaugh and his audience) by making provocative statements that the AP will most probably air. Because he makes what is a convincing argument if true -- the Court has NEVER done XYZ, it automatically puts conservatives on notice that if the Court does XYZ, then the Court is deserving of criticism.

An obvious rejoinder is that Hamdan, as a case, was likely to garner extraordinary attention and criticism in any event; but this rejoinder is too general. The relevant theory is that Scalia cares about the kind of criticism to which the Court is exposed and cares about the the size of the audience that pays attention, because the effect of his statement (from which one could try to induce his motive) is to influence the internal dynamics of the Court. Why?

Let&#039;s see. Roberts is recusing himself, and there is the possibility of a 4-4. Alito has been confirmed as a &quot;conservative&quot; jurist, but has yet to take a position on the War on Terror as a Supreme Court Justice. The stakes are high for Alito&#039;s reputation within the conservative community -- &quot;Don&#039;t become a Kennedy&quot; -- and this only serves to raise the stakes. In other words, a decisive win is needed, a persuadable vote could be on the fence, and a likely vote is out of play.

But Alito is not enough. Scalia needs to force the hand of those who seek to keep Court opinions consistent with public opinion and those who hope to steer the Court onto a path on the right side of history. One need only scroll down on www.orinkerr.com to see a post on Breyer commenting about O&#039;Connor, and one only need look to Kennedy&#039;s majority opinions in Gonzalez v. Oregon, Roper v. Simmons, and Lawrence v. Texas to note that there are Justices who care about international opinion, national opinion, and public opinion in general, because they believe it links the Court&#039;s jurisprudence to public legitimacy. The line that Scalia is drawing here by making a provocative statement from Switzerland, much as John Kerry did from Davos, Switzerland in calling for Alito&#039;s filibuster (I will not quote Hegel here, but I think the farce came first in this context), is that the elites of the United States and the elites of Europe have different mass bases before which they must appear legitimate. A Supreme Court opinion that is consistent with what elites in Switzerland think and inconsistent with what the mass of Americans think would appear an illegitimate opinion: Scalia is actively promoting the likelihood that those interested in legitimacy vote his way by stirring up opposition to an outcome inconsistent with what American public opinion will be after it is shaped by his comment that the Court NEVER DOES XYZ (and the implicit: a. the Court never does XYZ for categorically good reasons; and b. thus, the Court should not do XYZ in the case of Hamdan). In other words, this is not just a push on Alito, but also a push on Breyer and Kennedy to separate from Stevens, who thinks Rasul was a wonderful day in the park, rather than a departure from bedrock American principles. If you think about it, that&#039;s 5 votes: assuming Scalia and Thomas will vote how Scalia suggests he might, Alito, Breyer, and Kennedy are the other &quot;gettable&quot; votes for Scalia in the absence of Roberts. (Note: This analysis is not a slight against Thomas; Thomas is more conservative than Scalia.)

So, what is Scalia doing? Trying to cobble together a 5-3 in the absence of Roberts!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me explain why I think Scalia&#8217;s public comments suggest he is angling for a 5-3.</p>
<p>Chiefly, Who is Scalia addressing? Obivously, at the lowest level of generality, he was replying to a question posed; thus, he was addressing the poser of the question. At a higher level of generality &#8212; one that takes politics into account, Scalia is mobilizing conservatives (e.g., Ed Whelan and his audience, Rush Limbaugh and his audience) by making provocative statements that the AP will most probably air. Because he makes what is a convincing argument if true &#8212; the Court has NEVER done XYZ, it automatically puts conservatives on notice that if the Court does XYZ, then the Court is deserving of criticism.</p>
<p>An obvious rejoinder is that Hamdan, as a case, was likely to garner extraordinary attention and criticism in any event; but this rejoinder is too general. The relevant theory is that Scalia cares about the kind of criticism to which the Court is exposed and cares about the the size of the audience that pays attention, because the effect of his statement (from which one could try to induce his motive) is to influence the internal dynamics of the Court. Why?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see. Roberts is recusing himself, and there is the possibility of a 4-4. Alito has been confirmed as a &#8220;conservative&#8221; jurist, but has yet to take a position on the War on Terror as a Supreme Court Justice. The stakes are high for Alito&#8217;s reputation within the conservative community &#8212; &#8220;Don&#8217;t become a Kennedy&#8221; &#8212; and this only serves to raise the stakes. In other words, a decisive win is needed, a persuadable vote could be on the fence, and a likely vote is out of play.</p>
<p>But Alito is not enough. Scalia needs to force the hand of those who seek to keep Court opinions consistent with public opinion and those who hope to steer the Court onto a path on the right side of history. One need only scroll down on <a href="http://www.orinkerr.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.orinkerr.com</a> to see a post on Breyer commenting about O&#8217;Connor, and one only need look to Kennedy&#8217;s majority opinions in Gonzalez v. Oregon, Roper v. Simmons, and Lawrence v. Texas to note that there are Justices who care about international opinion, national opinion, and public opinion in general, because they believe it links the Court&#8217;s jurisprudence to public legitimacy. The line that Scalia is drawing here by making a provocative statement from Switzerland, much as John Kerry did from Davos, Switzerland in calling for Alito&#8217;s filibuster (I will not quote Hegel here, but I think the farce came first in this context), is that the elites of the United States and the elites of Europe have different mass bases before which they must appear legitimate. A Supreme Court opinion that is consistent with what elites in Switzerland think and inconsistent with what the mass of Americans think would appear an illegitimate opinion: Scalia is actively promoting the likelihood that those interested in legitimacy vote his way by stirring up opposition to an outcome inconsistent with what American public opinion will be after it is shaped by his comment that the Court NEVER DOES XYZ (and the implicit: a. the Court never does XYZ for categorically good reasons; and b. thus, the Court should not do XYZ in the case of Hamdan). In other words, this is not just a push on Alito, but also a push on Breyer and Kennedy to separate from Stevens, who thinks Rasul was a wonderful day in the park, rather than a departure from bedrock American principles. If you think about it, that&#8217;s 5 votes: assuming Scalia and Thomas will vote how Scalia suggests he might, Alito, Breyer, and Kennedy are the other &#8220;gettable&#8221; votes for Scalia in the absence of Roberts. (Note: This analysis is not a slight against Thomas; Thomas is more conservative than Scalia.)</p>
<p>So, what is Scalia doing? Trying to cobble together a 5-3 in the absence of Roberts!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Wolfson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Wolfson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t the jurisdictional question in Hamdan now not really whether, because of the DTA, the Supreme Court has lost jurisdiction it might otherwise have had under, say, a special Supreme Court jurisdictional statute (such as section 1254), but whether all the federal courts have lost jurisdiction (which, if that were true, all the lower courts&#039; decision would have to be vacated, and the case dismissed by the district court -- not cert. dismissed by the Supreme Court)?  And the Supreme Court granted cert. in the case on the assumption, supported by the lower court decisions, that the lower federal courts properly exercised jurisdiction under mandamus and section 2241.  Accordingly, the posture of the case would seem to be like that of mootness, where a party seeks to convince the courts that it has lost jurisdiction it previously  had.  In such circumstances, the burden is on the party arguing that jurisdiction has been lost.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t the jurisdictional question in Hamdan now not really whether, because of the DTA, the Supreme Court has lost jurisdiction it might otherwise have had under, say, a special Supreme Court jurisdictional statute (such as section 1254), but whether all the federal courts have lost jurisdiction (which, if that were true, all the lower courts&#8217; decision would have to be vacated, and the case dismissed by the district court &#8212; not cert. dismissed by the Supreme Court)?  And the Supreme Court granted cert. in the case on the assumption, supported by the lower court decisions, that the lower federal courts properly exercised jurisdiction under mandamus and section 2241.  Accordingly, the posture of the case would seem to be like that of mootness, where a party seeks to convince the courts that it has lost jurisdiction it previously  had.  In such circumstances, the burden is on the party arguing that jurisdiction has been lost.</p>
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		<title>By: Commentator</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Scalia&#039;s public comments show he is angling for a 5-3.
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