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		<title>By: David Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite a thought-provoking piece.  As an unabashed liberal, on constitutional matters and otherwise, I hope it is correct.  I believe this is the most important presidential election in half a century as far as SCOTUS is concerned.  With potentially three appointments in the next 8 years (Stevens, Ginsburg, Souter?) a Republican could change the direction of the Court for the next 25 years or more.  There are already 4 votes to overturn Roe; imagine if there were 3 more!  On the other hand, many states would still allow abortion, so the net result would not be as bad as our worst fears.  Ditto with gay rights, affirmative action, employment discrimination, Guantanamo prisoners, and habeas corpus.  All things tend toward the center, but along the way there are swings to both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite a thought-provoking piece.  As an unabashed liberal, on constitutional matters and otherwise, I hope it is correct.  I believe this is the most important presidential election in half a century as far as SCOTUS is concerned.  With potentially three appointments in the next 8 years (Stevens, Ginsburg, Souter?) a Republican could change the direction of the Court for the next 25 years or more.  There are already 4 votes to overturn Roe; imagine if there were 3 more!  On the other hand, many states would still allow abortion, so the net result would not be as bad as our worst fears.  Ditto with gay rights, affirmative action, employment discrimination, Guantanamo prisoners, and habeas corpus.  All things tend toward the center, but along the way there are swings to both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Scheidegger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Scheidegger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Justice Thomas thinks that no precedent is too old to be overruled...&quot;

Are you seriously asserting that age alone can make a precedent inviolate? &lt;i&gt;Plessy v. Ferguson&lt;/i&gt; was 58 years old when it was overruled. If a decision is wrong and the other stare decisis factors point to overruling (e.g., continuing harm, lack of reliance interest, inability to overturn by statute), age alone shouldn&#039;t save it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Justice Thomas thinks that no precedent is too old to be overruled&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you seriously asserting that age alone can make a precedent inviolate? <i>Plessy v. Ferguson</i> was 58 years old when it was overruled. If a decision is wrong and the other stare decisis factors point to overruling (e.g., continuing harm, lack of reliance interest, inability to overturn by statute), age alone shouldn&#8217;t save it.</p>
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		<title>By: steve jaros</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve jaros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc Shepard wrote:

&quot;(kennedy is not that conservative) compared to whom&quot;?

To the 4 conservatives on the court. I did not say he was a liberal, i said he&#039;s just not very conservative. To me, he&#039;s a &#039;moderate&#039; who shades somewhat to the right.

As for a comparison to Justice White: Didn&#039;t White write the conservative &quot;Bowers&quot; opinion that Kennedy infamously wrote against in &quot;Lawrence&quot;?

As for Justice Thomas - in general (i don&#039;t know the specifics of that case) he&#039;s right. Why should a precedent become inviolate with age? Heck Brennan didn&#039;t think so either.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc Shepard wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;(kennedy is not that conservative) compared to whom&#8221;?</p>
<p>To the 4 conservatives on the court. I did not say he was a liberal, i said he&#8217;s just not very conservative. To me, he&#8217;s a &#8216;moderate&#8217; who shades somewhat to the right.</p>
<p>As for a comparison to Justice White: Didn&#8217;t White write the conservative &#8220;Bowers&#8221; opinion that Kennedy infamously wrote against in &#8220;Lawrence&#8221;?</p>
<p>As for Justice Thomas &#8211; in general (i don&#8217;t know the specifics of that case) he&#8217;s right. Why should a precedent become inviolate with age? Heck Brennan didn&#8217;t think so either.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Wishnatsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Wishnatsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant and provocative analysis anticipating media spin of OT 2007 and drilling down to the bedrock of reality beneath appearances.

An analysis worthy of an academic appointment.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant and provocative analysis anticipating media spin of OT 2007 and drilling down to the bedrock of reality beneath appearances.</p>
<p>An analysis worthy of an academic appointment.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Shepherd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Shepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This court is only as conservative as justice kennedy is, and he&#039;s not that conservative.&lt;/i&gt;

Compared to whom? He is clearly more conservative than William O. Douglas, William Brennan, Earl Warren, Thurgood Marshall, Arthur Goldberg, Abe Fortas, Warren Burger, Harry Blackmun, Lewis Powell, Sandra Day O&#039;Connor, John Paul Stevens, David Souter, Ruth Ginsburg, Steven Breyer. He is probably more conservative (overall) than Byron White, unless your perspective is limited to one issue (abortion).

Overall, that sounds pretty conservative to me. If there have been a handful of justices in modern times that were more conservative than Justice Kennedy, that does not make him a liberal.

&lt;i&gt;We&#039;ll have a conservative court when the big warren-brennan era decisions, such as roe, are overturned. not nibbled at on the edges, but actually overturned.&lt;/i&gt;

Why stop there? Justice Thomas thinks that no precedent is too old to be overruled (see &lt;i&gt;Wickard v. Filburn&lt;/i&gt;).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This court is only as conservative as justice kennedy is, and he&#8217;s not that conservative.</i></p>
<p>Compared to whom? He is clearly more conservative than William O. Douglas, William Brennan, Earl Warren, Thurgood Marshall, Arthur Goldberg, Abe Fortas, Warren Burger, Harry Blackmun, Lewis Powell, Sandra Day O&#8217;Connor, John Paul Stevens, David Souter, Ruth Ginsburg, Steven Breyer. He is probably more conservative (overall) than Byron White, unless your perspective is limited to one issue (abortion).</p>
<p>Overall, that sounds pretty conservative to me. If there have been a handful of justices in modern times that were more conservative than Justice Kennedy, that does not make him a liberal.</p>
<p><i>We&#8217;ll have a conservative court when the big warren-brennan era decisions, such as roe, are overturned. not nibbled at on the edges, but actually overturned.</i></p>
<p>Why stop there? Justice Thomas thinks that no precedent is too old to be overruled (see <i>Wickard v. Filburn</i>).</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques McKenzie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacques McKenzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I mostly agree but I think you mat be wrong on the detainees case. Both Kennedy and Breyer mentioned in Hamdan that the case wasn&#039;t in Jackson&#039;s 1st tier and that was a major problem. Breyer specifically mentioned how all the President had to do was go back to Congress.&lt;/i&gt;

This is a good point, and the Government certainly should mention the argument, but I think the detainee rights advocates are arguing that Congress lacks the authority to do what it did, so we&#039;re back at tier 3.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I mostly agree but I think you mat be wrong on the detainees case. Both Kennedy and Breyer mentioned in Hamdan that the case wasn&#8217;t in Jackson&#8217;s 1st tier and that was a major problem. Breyer specifically mentioned how all the President had to do was go back to Congress.</i></p>
<p>This is a good point, and the Government certainly should mention the argument, but I think the detainee rights advocates are arguing that Congress lacks the authority to do what it did, so we&#8217;re back at tier 3.</p>
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		<title>By: rufus peckham</title>
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		<dc:creator>rufus peckham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mostly agree but I think you mat be wrong on the detainees case.  Both Kennedy and Breyer mentioned in Hamdan that the case wasn&#039;t in Jackson&#039;s 1st tier and that was a major problem.  Breyer specifically mentioned how all the President had to do was go back to Congress.

This case is clearly in Jackson&#039;s 1st tier of the President and Congress acting together so I would not be surprised if the DC Circuit is upheld.

Knowing Breyer and Kennedy it probbly won&#039;t be, but we&#039;ll see.

I agree, though, that the potential impact on the election could be devestating for the Democrats.  Imagine Hillary having to applaud and defend decisions for terrorists, child pornographers, rapists and gun-grabbers as Mr. Law and Order himself leads the charge against them.

Dun-Dun
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mostly agree but I think you mat be wrong on the detainees case.  Both Kennedy and Breyer mentioned in Hamdan that the case wasn&#8217;t in Jackson&#8217;s 1st tier and that was a major problem.  Breyer specifically mentioned how all the President had to do was go back to Congress.</p>
<p>This case is clearly in Jackson&#8217;s 1st tier of the President and Congress acting together so I would not be surprised if the DC Circuit is upheld.</p>
<p>Knowing Breyer and Kennedy it probbly won&#8217;t be, but we&#8217;ll see.</p>
<p>I agree, though, that the potential impact on the election could be devestating for the Democrats.  Imagine Hillary having to applaud and defend decisions for terrorists, child pornographers, rapists and gun-grabbers as Mr. Law and Order himself leads the charge against them.</p>
<p>Dun-Dun</p>
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		<title>By: steve jaros</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve jaros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This court is only as conservative as justice kennedy is, and he&#039;s not that conservative.

We&#039;ll have a conservative court when the big warren-brennan era decisions, such as roe, are overturned. not nibbled at on the edges, but actually overturned.

but not until then.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This court is only as conservative as justice kennedy is, and he&#8217;s not that conservative.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll have a conservative court when the big warren-brennan era decisions, such as roe, are overturned. not nibbled at on the edges, but actually overturned.</p>
<p>but not until then.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Goldstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Goldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Taylor.  I don&#039;t think your attempted rebuke in #4 is right, however (though I would have used &quot;overturn&quot; if I&#039;d thought about it).  Among lots of examples from the Supreme Court alone, see, e.g., Dixon v. United States, 126 S. Ct. 2437, 2445 (2006) (&quot;Congress overruled [Davis v. United States, 165 U.S. 373 (1897)] by statute in 1984&quot;).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Taylor.  I don&#8217;t think your attempted rebuke in #4 is right, however (though I would have used &#8220;overturn&#8221; if I&#8217;d thought about it).  Among lots of examples from the Supreme Court alone, see, e.g., Dixon v. United States, 126 S. Ct. 2437, 2445 (2006) (&#8221;Congress overruled [Davis v. United States, 165 U.S. 373 (1897)] by statute in 1984&#8243;).</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor Reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taylor Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some thoughts from someone close to the Court:
&lt;p&gt;
1. The predictions are generally correct, I believe.  And the point about the effect on the 2008 election is both insightful and very true.
&lt;p&gt;
2. But don&#039;t forget that, except for the guns case, each of these cases will be heard early in the year, with -- most likely -- correspondingly earlier opinions.  By the time the end of the Term rolls around, rightward-leaning opinions in later-granted cases may appear, dampening the effect you describe.  (This may especially occur if Kennedy &quot;feels&quot; that he has been too liberal in the prior cases and evens it out with some conservative rulings.)
&lt;p&gt;
3. What will be very amusing is the reaction of the mainstream media to the outcomes in the coming Term.  Most likely, the leftward-leaning outcomes will be &quot;interpreted&quot; as a sign that the Court is cognizant of the public and is correspondingly pulling back from last Term.  Which, of course, is simply not how the Justices work at all (with the possible exception of, naturally, Justice Kennedy).
&lt;p&gt;
4. Congress is considering legislation to &quot;overrule&quot; &lt;i&gt;Ledbetter&lt;/i&gt;?  Come on, Tom.  You know better than to use phrasing like that.  Congress doesn&#039;t &quot;overrule&quot; Supreme Court decisions.  It modifies the statute to change or clarify the desired legal rule.  Yes, &quot;overrule&quot; is a convenient shorthand, but one would hope that this blog would resist such easy fudging and instead be more precise in its terminology.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some thoughts from someone close to the Court:</p>
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1. The predictions are generally correct, I believe.  And the point about the effect on the 2008 election is both insightful and very true.
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2. But don&#8217;t forget that, except for the guns case, each of these cases will be heard early in the year, with &#8212; most likely &#8212; correspondingly earlier opinions.  By the time the end of the Term rolls around, rightward-leaning opinions in later-granted cases may appear, dampening the effect you describe.  (This may especially occur if Kennedy &#8220;feels&#8221; that he has been too liberal in the prior cases and evens it out with some conservative rulings.)
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3. What will be very amusing is the reaction of the mainstream media to the outcomes in the coming Term.  Most likely, the leftward-leaning outcomes will be &#8220;interpreted&#8221; as a sign that the Court is cognizant of the public and is correspondingly pulling back from last Term.  Which, of course, is simply not how the Justices work at all (with the possible exception of, naturally, Justice Kennedy).
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4. Congress is considering legislation to &#8220;overrule&#8221; <i>Ledbetter</i>?  Come on, Tom.  You know better than to use phrasing like that.  Congress doesn&#8217;t &#8220;overrule&#8221; Supreme Court decisions.  It modifies the statute to change or clarify the desired legal rule.  Yes, &#8220;overrule&#8221; is a convenient shorthand, but one would hope that this blog would resist such easy fudging and instead be more precise in its terminology.</p>
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		<title>By: David.Huberman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David.Huberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual, a fantastic, thought-provoking post, Tom. Thank you!  It&#039;s just my opinion, but I think it&#039;s very important not to underestimate both how polarizing District of Columbia v. Heller may turn out to be, and how significant the decision could be (long-term) if the Court truly settles the individual rights issue.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, a fantastic, thought-provoking post, Tom. Thank you!  It&#8217;s just my opinion, but I think it&#8217;s very important not to underestimate both how polarizing District of Columbia v. Heller may turn out to be, and how significant the decision could be (long-term) if the Court truly settles the individual rights issue.</p>
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