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	<title>Comments on: New StatPack, Plus More on Monday&#8217;s Orders</title>
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		<title>By: JoePaulson</title>
		<link>http://www.scotusblog.com/2008/03/new-statpack-plus-more-on-mondays-orders/#comment-15606</link>
		<dc:creator>JoePaulson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 06:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But thank God there are probably 5 votes to uphold this means of execution&quot;
Thank God we will execute more people via a system that is pretty arbitrary. A dubious think to thank God for, I dare say.
As to the very first comment, its contempt doesn&#039;t really follow. Just one reason ... note how he notes &quot;Neither the law nor the facts&quot; requires the reversal. Developments since Gregg suggest just that in the area of the death penalty as a whole, as compared to the specific area of victim impact in the few years in question.
Now, if you -- like the majority did -- think &quot;the law&quot; DOES require reversal, including an erroneous earlier ruling, fine. But, he doesn&#039;t. Where&#039;s the hypocrisy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But thank God there are probably 5 votes to uphold this means of execution&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank God we will execute more people via a system that is pretty arbitrary. A dubious think to thank God for, I dare say. </p>
<p>As to the very first comment, its contempt doesn&#8217;t really follow. Just one reason &#8230; note how he notes &#8220;Neither the law nor the facts&#8221; requires the reversal. Developments since Gregg suggest just that in the area of the death penalty as a whole, as compared to the specific area of victim impact in the few years in question. </p>
<p>Now, if you &#8212; like the majority did &#8212; think &#8220;the law&#8221; DOES require reversal, including an erroneous earlier ruling, fine. But, he doesn&#8217;t. Where&#8217;s the hypocrisy?</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baze and Crawford may not be very important to the Chief but as for &quot;historic&quot; let me just conclude with this point.  Suppose Kennedy joined the liberals, which he obviously hasn&#039;t, in Baze and it was 5 to 4 against the three prong lethal injection method.  Then that would eliminate the main method for execution, which would mean the end of the death penalty.  In 20 years we would be looking back saying this was the case that brought an end to capital punishment.  But thank God there are probably 5 votes to uphold this means of execution.  So looking back in 20 years we can say this was the case that saved capital punishment.  I would say that would be historic.
I think the Chief will be writing at least 2 0f the 3--Baze, Heller, Crawford.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baze and Crawford may not be very important to the Chief but as for &#8220;historic&#8221; let me just conclude with this point.  Suppose Kennedy joined the liberals, which he obviously hasn&#8217;t, in Baze and it was 5 to 4 against the three prong lethal injection method.  Then that would eliminate the main method for execution, which would mean the end of the death penalty.  In 20 years we would be looking back saying this was the case that brought an end to capital punishment.  But thank God there are probably 5 votes to uphold this means of execution.  So looking back in 20 years we can say this was the case that saved capital punishment.  I would say that would be historic.</p>
<p>I think the Chief will be writing at least 2 0f the 3&#8211;Baze, Heller, Crawford.</p>
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		<title>By: rufus peckham</title>
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		<dc:creator>rufus peckham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Heller is most likely to be written by the Chief based on the above.
One thing that hasn&#039;t been mentioned is that Heller was written by Silberman in the DC Ct and Silberman is very good friends with both Scalia and Thomas(and Roberts I would assume, although to a lesser extent since Roberts is younger.  He&#039;s still part of that beltway crowd, though)
I think that increases the likelihood they&#039;ll want to affirm his opinion in its entirety, including the strict scrutiny.  It would be interesting to a study as tohow Silberman&#039;s opinions have fared upon Supre Court review, and particularly among Scalia, Thomas and Kennedy.  I bet their affirmance rate is pretty high</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Heller is most likely to be written by the Chief based on the above.</p>
<p>One thing that hasn&#8217;t been mentioned is that Heller was written by Silberman in the DC Ct and Silberman is very good friends with both Scalia and Thomas(and Roberts I would assume, although to a lesser extent since Roberts is younger.  He&#8217;s still part of that beltway crowd, though)</p>
<p>I think that increases the likelihood they&#8217;ll want to affirm his opinion in its entirety, including the strict scrutiny.  It would be interesting to a study as tohow Silberman&#8217;s opinions have fared upon Supre Court review, and particularly among Scalia, Thomas and Kennedy.  I bet their affirmance rate is pretty high</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Berlove</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Berlove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny Evans,
Whatever your views concerning the importance of Baze and Crawford, the only areas where it appears that the Chief Justice has made a special point of taking a case for himself are those concerning the military or international relations, and other conservative cause celebres like affirmative action, campain finance, and (to some extent, although it divides conservatives), the negative commerce clause. I think Heller is similar in this regard, but don&#039;t expect questions of the standard for challenging execution methods or state voter id requirements to carry the same &quot;historic&quot; quality or importance in the mind of the chief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny Evans,</p>
<p>Whatever your views concerning the importance of Baze and Crawford, the only areas where it appears that the Chief Justice has made a special point of taking a case for himself are those concerning the military or international relations, and other conservative cause celebres like affirmative action, campain finance, and (to some extent, although it divides conservatives), the negative commerce clause. I think Heller is similar in this regard, but don&#8217;t expect questions of the standard for challenging execution methods or state voter id requirements to carry the same &#8220;historic&#8221; quality or importance in the mind of the chief.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the post overlooks a much more recent example of the Court ordering the parties to address whether a prior decision should be overruled.  In eBay v. MercExchange (2005), the Court granted the petition and further ordered the parties to address &quot;Whether this Court should reconsider its precedents, including Continental Paper Bag Co. v. Eastern Paper Bag Co., 210 U.S. 405 (1908), on when it is appropriate to grant an injunction against a patent infringer.&quot;  Unlike in Pearson, the Court&#039;s order did not specifically use the word &quot;overrule,&quot; but that was the plain import.
Interestingly, the Court&#039;s opinion in eBay does not mention the additional question presented, and in fact cites Continental Paper Bag in support of its holding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the post overlooks a much more recent example of the Court ordering the parties to address whether a prior decision should be overruled.  In eBay v. MercExchange (2005), the Court granted the petition and further ordered the parties to address &#8220;Whether this Court should reconsider its precedents, including Continental Paper Bag Co. v. Eastern Paper Bag Co., 210 U.S. 405 (1908), on when it is appropriate to grant an injunction against a patent infringer.&#8221;  Unlike in Pearson, the Court&#8217;s order did not specifically use the word &#8220;overrule,&#8221; but that was the plain import.  </p>
<p>Interestingly, the Court&#8217;s opinion in eBay does not mention the additional question presented, and in fact cites Continental Paper Bag in support of its holding.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I think Crawford and Baze will be &quot;historic&quot; in the sense that if the conservatives win, as is expected, it will keep the death penalty intact, whereas if the liberals won, which is unlikely, it would have been a back door attempt to eliminate the death penalty.  With the last two elections being very close Crawford could play a very important role in &#039;08.  If the conservatives win, which is expected, it will keep felons, illegal immigrants, and &quot;dead people&quot; from voting for the liberal candidate.
Yes I will be shocked if Kennedy allows the death penalty for a child rapist simply because of his vote in Roper and Atkins, which I might add was a switch in his vote from when he joined the court.
His reasoning was international opinion on the death penalty for the retarded and people under 18 years of age.  I do think he will be just as worried about international law and opinion in Louisiana v. Kennnedy.  But maybe he will defer to a state right concerning capital punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I think Crawford and Baze will be &#8220;historic&#8221; in the sense that if the conservatives win, as is expected, it will keep the death penalty intact, whereas if the liberals won, which is unlikely, it would have been a back door attempt to eliminate the death penalty.  With the last two elections being very close Crawford could play a very important role in &#8217;08.  If the conservatives win, which is expected, it will keep felons, illegal immigrants, and &#8220;dead people&#8221; from voting for the liberal candidate.</p>
<p>Yes I will be shocked if Kennedy allows the death penalty for a child rapist simply because of his vote in Roper and Atkins, which I might add was a switch in his vote from when he joined the court.<br />
His reasoning was international opinion on the death penalty for the retarded and people under 18 years of age.  I do think he will be just as worried about international law and opinion in Louisiana v. Kennnedy.  But maybe he will defer to a state right concerning capital punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: rufus peckham</title>
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		<dc:creator>rufus peckham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Chief writing both Baze and Crawford. is unlikely as they are both from the same sitting.  I think it&#039;s likely he does write at least one of them, though.
There&#039;s no evidence that Stevens was ever in any danger of losing Kennedy&#039;s vote in Lawrence.  I think the more likely reason is that Kennedy had written in Romer and so Stevens figured he was already the &quot;pointman&quot; on gay rights issues and had done a good job before where he hinted at overturning Bowers so he may as well let him finish the job.
Even if the conservatives win Boumedienne, it&#039;s unlikely to really matter, though.  The trials will never happen.  If the dems win in November, the trials will never happen and even if McCain wins he&#039;s said he&#039;s closing GItmo and moving everyone to Leavenworth which totally changes everything.
You really think the liberals will win Kennedy?  What makes you think that?  Kennedy is obviously the swing vote and I know based on Roper and Atkins you&#039;d think he&#039;d side with the petitioner, but he looks set to uphold the death penalty in Baze and child rapists aren&#039;t quite as sympathetic and politically correct as the retarded and kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Chief writing both Baze and Crawford. is unlikely as they are both from the same sitting.  I think it&#8217;s likely he does write at least one of them, though.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no evidence that Stevens was ever in any danger of losing Kennedy&#8217;s vote in Lawrence.  I think the more likely reason is that Kennedy had written in Romer and so Stevens figured he was already the &#8220;pointman&#8221; on gay rights issues and had done a good job before where he hinted at overturning Bowers so he may as well let him finish the job.</p>
<p>Even if the conservatives win Boumedienne, it&#8217;s unlikely to really matter, though.  The trials will never happen.  If the dems win in November, the trials will never happen and even if McCain wins he&#8217;s said he&#8217;s closing GItmo and moving everyone to Leavenworth which totally changes everything. </p>
<p>You really think the liberals will win Kennedy?  What makes you think that?  Kennedy is obviously the swing vote and I know based on Roper and Atkins you&#8217;d think he&#8217;d side with the petitioner, but he looks set to uphold the death penalty in Baze and child rapists aren&#8217;t quite as sympathetic and politically correct as the retarded and kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Berlove</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Berlove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Baze or Crawford v. Marion County count as &quot;historic&quot; enough for the Chief to make an extra point to take the case himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Baze or Crawford v. Marion County count as &#8220;historic&#8221; enough for the Chief to make an extra point to take the case himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Mortez Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mortez Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could Stevens gave given Kennedy Boumedienne to make sure he didn&#039;t lose his vote, similar to the approach he took with Lawrence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could Stevens gave given Kennedy Boumedienne to make sure he didn&#8217;t lose his vote, similar to the approach he took with Lawrence?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 05:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure I agree with the Boumedienne prediction some are making in the comments.  I agree that it&#039;s likely to be a Kennedy opinion, but I think it&#039;s going to be a victory for the leftists on the Court.   Now, I have a hard time imagining Kennedy going for a sweeping liberal ruling in that case, but  I do think it&#039;ll be one Breyer and co. will willingly support, at least in part.   I think that&#039;s unfortunate, but it is what it is.
As for other cases, I&#039;m guessing Scalia for Williams, Alito for Santos,  and beyond that I haven&#039;t a clue.  I can&#039;t wait to see how Kentucky v. Davis pans out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure I agree with the Boumedienne prediction some are making in the comments.  I agree that it&#8217;s likely to be a Kennedy opinion, but I think it&#8217;s going to be a victory for the leftists on the Court.   Now, I have a hard time imagining Kennedy going for a sweeping liberal ruling in that case, but  I do think it&#8217;ll be one Breyer and co. will willingly support, at least in part.   I think that&#8217;s unfortunate, but it is what it is.</p>
<p>As for other cases, I&#8217;m guessing Scalia for Williams, Alito for Santos,  and beyond that I haven&#8217;t a clue.  I can&#8217;t wait to see how Kentucky v. Davis pans out.</p>
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