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	<title>Comments on: Analysis:  Justice Kennedy and a Warning Against Overreading the School Cases</title>
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		<title>By: Jacques McKenzie</title>
		<link>http://www.scotusblog.com/2007/06/analysis-justice-kennedy-and-a-warning-against-overreading-the-school-cases/#comment-11444</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques McKenzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather, a &quot;4-4 because of a recusal.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather, a &#8220;4-4 because of a recusal.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques McKenzie</title>
		<link>http://www.scotusblog.com/2007/06/analysis-justice-kennedy-and-a-warning-against-overreading-the-school-cases/#comment-11443</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques McKenzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;to the extent that there is absolute and undeniable disagreement between Justice Kennedy and the plurality on a particular point, the Court has given us no guidance on how to treat such a case.&lt;/i&gt;
It is equivalent to a 4-4 with a recusal.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>to the extent that there is absolute and undeniable disagreement between Justice Kennedy and the plurality on a particular point, the Court has given us no guidance on how to treat such a case.</i></p>
<p>It is equivalent to a 4-4 with a recusal.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques McKenzie</title>
		<link>http://www.scotusblog.com/2007/06/analysis-justice-kennedy-and-a-warning-against-overreading-the-school-cases/#comment-11442</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques McKenzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;but if the plurarity and Kennedy are diametrically opposed regarding the portion of the opinion that Kennedy did not join, I don&#039;t think Kennedy&#039;s views should control...&lt;/i&gt;
Neither should 4 votes for control when there are 4 votes against. What you have then is NO LAW.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>but if the plurarity and Kennedy are diametrically opposed regarding the portion of the opinion that Kennedy did not join, I don&#8217;t think Kennedy&#8217;s views should control&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Neither should 4 votes for control when there are 4 votes against. What you have then is NO LAW.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Friedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Friedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to n.5 of Justice Thomas&#039; dissent in &lt;i&gt;Panetti&lt;/i&gt;, none of Monday&#039;s decisions constitutes controlling federal law.  So who knows.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to n.5 of Justice Thomas&#8217; dissent in <i>Panetti</i>, none of Monday&#8217;s decisions constitutes controlling federal law.  So who knows.</p>
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		<title>By: David Stras</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Stras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy,
One other point as there has been a lot of confusion in the media and even in the blogs as to what is &quot;controlling&quot; over the past few weeks.  A concurring opinion, by itself, is never controlling.  When a Justice concurs, it means that he/she has joined the majority opinion.  To the extent that the concurring opinion contains a different gloss than the majority, that opinion contains the views of only a single justice, or at least some number less than the majority.
Such an opinion can be analogized to legislative history that helps interpret the text of the statute.  It might be useful for some judges in interpreting the statute, but the text itself is what is controlling.  Likewise, the majority opinion is controlling, and the concurring opinion can give you a helpful gloss on the majority opinion, but again, the concurring opinion is not controlling.
The answer is entirely different, however, when you have an opinion concurring in the judgment.  When that happens, the concurring Justice does not join the majority or plurality opinion.  And if there is no opinion that commands five votes, then we look to plurality opinion or the opinion concurring in judgment, whichever is narrowest, to provide the controlling rule.  Determining what is &quot;narrowest,&quot; however, is often the hardest part of the Marks problem.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy,</p>
<p>One other point as there has been a lot of confusion in the media and even in the blogs as to what is &#8220;controlling&#8221; over the past few weeks.  A concurring opinion, by itself, is never controlling.  When a Justice concurs, it means that he/she has joined the majority opinion.  To the extent that the concurring opinion contains a different gloss than the majority, that opinion contains the views of only a single justice, or at least some number less than the majority.</p>
<p>Such an opinion can be analogized to legislative history that helps interpret the text of the statute.  It might be useful for some judges in interpreting the statute, but the text itself is what is controlling.  Likewise, the majority opinion is controlling, and the concurring opinion can give you a helpful gloss on the majority opinion, but again, the concurring opinion is not controlling.</p>
<p>The answer is entirely different, however, when you have an opinion concurring in the judgment.  When that happens, the concurring Justice does not join the majority or plurality opinion.  And if there is no opinion that commands five votes, then we look to plurality opinion or the opinion concurring in judgment, whichever is narrowest, to provide the controlling rule.  Determining what is &#8220;narrowest,&#8221; however, is often the hardest part of the Marks problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Bader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hans Bader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some parts of Part III-B of Roberts&#039; opinion are the holding of the court, even though Kennedy doesn&#039;t join Part III-B, because Kennedy separately repeats some of the same principles and limits on the use of race contained in Part III-B.
So although Justice Kennedy didn&#039;t join in Part III-B AS A WHOLE, pieces of Part III-B of Chief Justice Roberts&#039; opinion are holdings of the Court under the Marks rule.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some parts of Part III-B of Roberts&#8217; opinion are the holding of the court, even though Kennedy doesn&#8217;t join Part III-B, because Kennedy separately repeats some of the same principles and limits on the use of race contained in Part III-B.</p>
<p>So although Justice Kennedy didn&#8217;t join in Part III-B AS A WHOLE, pieces of Part III-B of Chief Justice Roberts&#8217; opinion are holdings of the Court under the Marks rule.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Grewal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Grewal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David--
Thanks for your thoughts.  I look forward to reading your article.
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<p>Thanks for your thoughts.  I look forward to reading your article.</p>
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		<title>By: David Stras</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Stras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy,
You&#039;re right that, to the extent that there is absolute and undeniable disagreement between Justice Kennedy and the plurality on a particular point, the Court has given us no guidance on how to treat such a case.  Again, I am still wading through the opinions carefully, and have been researching in Justice Pierce Butler&#039;s papers for the last three hours, so I cannot give you a firm answer, but this presents one of the many problems with the Marks rule.  I need to read more carefully, but if your characterization is correct, we may not have a controlling opinion in this case on the issues covered in Part III-B.  Tom seems to come to a different conclusion, so again I need time to sort all of this out.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that, to the extent that there is absolute and undeniable disagreement between Justice Kennedy and the plurality on a particular point, the Court has given us no guidance on how to treat such a case.  Again, I am still wading through the opinions carefully, and have been researching in Justice Pierce Butler&#8217;s papers for the last three hours, so I cannot give you a firm answer, but this presents one of the many problems with the Marks rule.  I need to read more carefully, but if your characterization is correct, we may not have a controlling opinion in this case on the issues covered in Part III-B.  Tom seems to come to a different conclusion, so again I need time to sort all of this out.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Grewal</title>
		<link>http://www.scotusblog.com/2007/06/analysis-justice-kennedy-and-a-warning-against-overreading-the-school-cases/#comment-11436</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Grewal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That means that, even though Justice Kennedy&#039;s point of view may not have the support of even a single other Justice, his opinion, to the extent it concurs in the judgment and is the narrowest, is controlling for lower courts under the Marks rule.&quot;
Well, my question then, insofar as III-B is concerned, does Kennedy&#039;s opinion actually concur in any part of III-B, or is there just violent disagreement?
We all know that I, II, III-A and III-C have the imprimatur of the Court.  The question is, what to do with the material in III-B?  If Kennedy&#039;s views of  III-B conflict with the plurality&#039;s, it seems silly to say that Kennedy&#039;s views control insofar as we are concerned with the subject matter of that Part.  (I suppose I should have made this clear in my earlier post).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That means that, even though Justice Kennedy&#8217;s point of view may not have the support of even a single other Justice, his opinion, to the extent it concurs in the judgment and is the narrowest, is controlling for lower courts under the Marks rule.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, my question then, insofar as III-B is concerned, does Kennedy&#8217;s opinion actually concur in any part of III-B, or is there just violent disagreement?</p>
<p>We all know that I, II, III-A and III-C have the imprimatur of the Court.  The question is, what to do with the material in III-B?  If Kennedy&#8217;s views of  III-B conflict with the plurality&#8217;s, it seems silly to say that Kennedy&#8217;s views control insofar as we are concerned with the subject matter of that Part.  (I suppose I should have made this clear in my earlier post).</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Bader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hans Bader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, in its Grutter decision the Supreme Court said that Justice Powell&#039;s opinion in Bakke was NOT controlling (under the Marks rule).
Here, some of the limits on the use of race in the decision are shared between Kennedy and the plurality, and thus are a holding (see Parts III-A and III-C).
But Kennedy&#039;s separate thoughts might or might not be controlling under the Marks rule as refined by Grutter.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, in its Grutter decision the Supreme Court said that Justice Powell&#8217;s opinion in Bakke was NOT controlling (under the Marks rule).</p>
<p>Here, some of the limits on the use of race in the decision are shared between Kennedy and the plurality, and thus are a holding (see Parts III-A and III-C).</p>
<p>But Kennedy&#8217;s separate thoughts might or might not be controlling under the Marks rule as refined by Grutter.</p>
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