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		<title>By: Kent Scheidegger</title>
		<link>http://www.scotusblog.com/2007/06/analysis-a-clean-sweep-for-conservatives/#comment-11359</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent Scheidegger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacob, where have you looked for the indication you fail to see?  Not in the Congressional Record of the debate on AEDPA, obviously.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob, where have you looked for the indication you fail to see?  Not in the Congressional Record of the debate on AEDPA, obviously.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Berlove</title>
		<link>http://www.scotusblog.com/2007/06/analysis-a-clean-sweep-for-conservatives/#comment-11358</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Berlove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kent,
I do not believe that life tenured judges are necessarily unbiased, only that they are &lt;i&gt;capable&lt;/i&gt; of being unbiased. Statistics with sentencing judges would seem to indicate that elected judges with no life tenure are &lt;i&gt;incapable&lt;/i&gt; of being unbiased when it comes to dealing with serious criminal cases. I also fail to see any indication that Congress has rejected this premise. The passage of AEDPA by elected legislators in a get tough on crime political atmosphere hardly indicates that any congressman, much a less a substantial number of them, considered or cared about the subtle (and sometimes not so subtle pressure) on judges who have to face reelection to give the government in a criminal case the benefit of the doubt whenever possible. The pitch to the public on passage of the bill surely wasn&#039;t &quot;we want to give state judges (including those who have to face reelection) all the credit they deserve for exercise of impartial judgement unimpared by  fear of recall for issuing too many decisions contrary to the spirit of the time, so we&#039;re going to severely curtail federal review in recognition of their impartiality&quot;, but something closer to &quot;we have too many criminals getting off too easy by the federal courts, and executions are taking too long to happen, so we&#039;re going to impose a tough deadline on federal habeas coupled with a standard making it quite rare [at least in the hope of the sponsors] that dangerous criminals will get new trials on some technicality&quot;. That is hardly a careful study concluding that judges having to face reelection are as capable of ruling impartially as life-tenured judges.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent,<br />
I do not believe that life tenured judges are necessarily unbiased, only that they are <i>capable</i> of being unbiased. Statistics with sentencing judges would seem to indicate that elected judges with no life tenure are <i>incapable</i> of being unbiased when it comes to dealing with serious criminal cases. I also fail to see any indication that Congress has rejected this premise. The passage of AEDPA by elected legislators in a get tough on crime political atmosphere hardly indicates that any congressman, much a less a substantial number of them, considered or cared about the subtle (and sometimes not so subtle pressure) on judges who have to face reelection to give the government in a criminal case the benefit of the doubt whenever possible. The pitch to the public on passage of the bill surely wasn&#8217;t &#8220;we want to give state judges (including those who have to face reelection) all the credit they deserve for exercise of impartial judgement unimpared by  fear of recall for issuing too many decisions contrary to the spirit of the time, so we&#8217;re going to severely curtail federal review in recognition of their impartiality&#8221;, but something closer to &#8220;we have too many criminals getting off too easy by the federal courts, and executions are taking too long to happen, so we&#8217;re going to impose a tough deadline on federal habeas coupled with a standard making it quite rare [at least in the hope of the sponsors] that dangerous criminals will get new trials on some technicality&#8221;. That is hardly a careful study concluding that judges having to face reelection are as capable of ruling impartially as life-tenured judges.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Shepherd</title>
		<link>http://www.scotusblog.com/2007/06/analysis-a-clean-sweep-for-conservatives/#comment-11357</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Shepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that life-tenured judges have biases too, but I have to be a bit suspicious when the only examples Kent can provide are liberal ones -- as if there were no such thing as a biased conservative.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that life-tenured judges have biases too, but I have to be a bit suspicious when the only examples Kent can provide are liberal ones &#8212; as if there were no such thing as a biased conservative.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Scheidegger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Scheidegger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacob,
Your premise that life-tenured judges and only life-tenured judges are unbiased is one that I do not share, and, with AEDPA, has been rejected by Congress.  California, far from supporting the case for life tenure, supports the position that a middle ground between life tenure and partisan elections provides the closest to optimum that we are going to get with a problem that has no perfect solution.
California appellate judges stand for a yes/no vote once every 12 years.  Only once in 70+ years have any been removed, and that was exactly when they should have been -- a runaway, agenda-driven court that was a disgrace to the state.  The California Supreme Court after the election was a vastly improved court, and to this day it remains superior to the life-tenured, often-reversed (but not often enough) Ninth Circuit.
Roger, I think you are splitting hairs claiming that &quot;unexamined&quot; means something different from &quot;unreviewed,&quot;, but I&#039;ll leave it at that.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob,</p>
<p>Your premise that life-tenured judges and only life-tenured judges are unbiased is one that I do not share, and, with AEDPA, has been rejected by Congress.  California, far from supporting the case for life tenure, supports the position that a middle ground between life tenure and partisan elections provides the closest to optimum that we are going to get with a problem that has no perfect solution.</p>
<p>California appellate judges stand for a yes/no vote once every 12 years.  Only once in 70+ years have any been removed, and that was exactly when they should have been &#8212; a runaway, agenda-driven court that was a disgrace to the state.  The California Supreme Court after the election was a vastly improved court, and to this day it remains superior to the life-tenured, often-reversed (but not often enough) Ninth Circuit.</p>
<p>Roger, I think you are splitting hairs claiming that &#8220;unexamined&#8221; means something different from &#8220;unreviewed,&#8221;, but I&#8217;ll leave it at that.</p>
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		<title>By: r.friedman</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Kent --&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At least I got the i and e in the right order, unlike Gretchen.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I used &quot;unexamined&quot; not &quot;unreviewed&quot; in the sense that the Justices never even got to see the petition. Unless you have a better adjective, it will just have to remain the unexamined death.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I noticed on your blog that you made the same point, that there had been plenty of judicial reviews, but that you did not defend the decision on its own logic.  And my &quot;Even the Kent&quot; sentence was written before I saw your blog.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Taylor --&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I say &quot;obvious joy&quot; because (1) the example adds nothing to the logic or force of the opinion, as noted by the dissent; (2) as an example, he could have merely noted the rule, or the Clerk&#039;s policy, without mentioning any specific case; and (3) having cited the case, he need not have added the &quot;without our ever&quot; line.  Maybe &quot;relish&quot; would have been better than &quot;joy&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;So here&#039;s a modest proposal that will both take care of Tom&#039;s concern about the shrinking docket and Kent&#039;s concern about delays in executions -- how about if the Court starting hearing a lot more petitions from direct appeals in death penalty cases.  It would cut out the federal habeas on all those issues.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As one who listens to all the Ninth Circuit aguments, it&#039;s clear that judges learn a lot from seeing lots of similar cases, their questioning gets sharper and their willingness to accept debatable assertions declines.  What occurs to me is that the Supreme Court is too selective, they need to keep their hands in the judicial stream. They need to apply their rulings to the cases before them, not just remand for procedings consistent. I don&#039;t think circuit judges often worry about becoming unelected policymakers, they&#039;re too busy keeping up with their dockets.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;roger friedman&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent &#8211;</p>
<p>At least I got the i and e in the right order, unlike Gretchen.</p>
<p>I used &#8220;unexamined&#8221; not &#8220;unreviewed&#8221; in the sense that the Justices never even got to see the petition. Unless you have a better adjective, it will just have to remain the unexamined death.</p>
<p>I noticed on your blog that you made the same point, that there had been plenty of judicial reviews, but that you did not defend the decision on its own logic.  And my &#8220;Even the Kent&#8221; sentence was written before I saw your blog.</p>
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<p>Taylor &#8211;</p>
<p>I say &#8220;obvious joy&#8221; because (1) the example adds nothing to the logic or force of the opinion, as noted by the dissent; (2) as an example, he could have merely noted the rule, or the Clerk&#8217;s policy, without mentioning any specific case; and (3) having cited the case, he need not have added the &#8220;without our ever&#8221; line.  Maybe &#8220;relish&#8221; would have been better than &#8220;joy&#8221;.</p>
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<p>So here&#8217;s a modest proposal that will both take care of Tom&#8217;s concern about the shrinking docket and Kent&#8217;s concern about delays in executions &#8212; how about if the Court starting hearing a lot more petitions from direct appeals in death penalty cases.  It would cut out the federal habeas on all those issues.</p>
<p>As one who listens to all the Ninth Circuit aguments, it&#8217;s clear that judges learn a lot from seeing lots of similar cases, their questioning gets sharper and their willingness to accept debatable assertions declines.  What occurs to me is that the Supreme Court is too selective, they need to keep their hands in the judicial stream. They need to apply their rulings to the cases before them, not just remand for procedings consistent. I don&#8217;t think circuit judges often worry about becoming unelected policymakers, they&#8217;re too busy keeping up with their dockets.</p>
<p>roger friedman</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Berlove</title>
		<link>http://www.scotusblog.com/2007/06/analysis-a-clean-sweep-for-conservatives/#comment-11354</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Berlove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kent Scheidegger,
Correct me if I&#039;m wrong, but I believe that Dickson&#039;s case did not receive more than the highly deferential AEDPA &quot;sorry you&#039;ve got no  SCOTUS case directly speaking to the issue&quot; review by a life-tenured judge. I don&#039;t know about appellate review, but I&#039;ve seen many statistics that show that elected judges are far more likely to sentence to death close to elections, and in light of some of the recall elections that have taken place recalling some California Supreme Court judges with a soft on crime reputation, it seems reasonable to believe that appellate judges subject to reelection will sometimes, at least on the subconcious level, let a fear of electoral defeat affect their rulings. It is thus reasonable to conclude that Dickson didn&#039;t receive any meaningful impartial examination of his case.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent Scheidegger,<br />
Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but I believe that Dickson&#8217;s case did not receive more than the highly deferential AEDPA &#8220;sorry you&#8217;ve got no  SCOTUS case directly speaking to the issue&#8221; review by a life-tenured judge. I don&#8217;t know about appellate review, but I&#8217;ve seen many statistics that show that elected judges are far more likely to sentence to death close to elections, and in light of some of the recall elections that have taken place recalling some California Supreme Court judges with a soft on crime reputation, it seems reasonable to believe that appellate judges subject to reelection will sometimes, at least on the subconcious level, let a fear of electoral defeat affect their rulings. It is thus reasonable to conclude that Dickson didn&#8217;t receive any meaningful impartial examination of his case.</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor Reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taylor Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon -- I was actually referring to &lt;i&gt;National Railroad Passenger Corp. v. Morgan&lt;/i&gt;, where Justice O&#039;Connor dissented from the Court&#039;s holding that relaxed time limitations on hostile work environment claims under Title VII; in doing so, she took a much more limited view of the notion that repeated acts constitute a new act of discrimination each time.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon &#8212; I was actually referring to <i>National Railroad Passenger Corp. v. Morgan</i>, where Justice O&#8217;Connor dissented from the Court&#8217;s holding that relaxed time limitations on hostile work environment claims under Title VII; in doing so, she took a much more limited view of the notion that repeated acts constitute a new act of discrimination each time.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Dodd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Dodd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taylor, I agree with most of your comment, and I specifically agree that a lot of commentary has assumed without any kind of analysis that Justice O&#039;Connor would have voted for Ledbetter, but if you&#039;re referring to &lt;i&gt;Bazemore&lt;/i&gt; in saying that O&#039;Connor &quot;dissented in the prior case that the Ledbetter minority relied on to justify its reasoning,&quot; I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s exactly correct. In that case, O&#039;Connor indeed joined Justice White&#039;s opinion, but she also joined (as did every member of the court) that part of Justice Brennan&#039;s opinion on which the &lt;i&gt;Ledbetter&lt;/i&gt; dissenters rested.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taylor, I agree with most of your comment, and I specifically agree that a lot of commentary has assumed without any kind of analysis that Justice O&#8217;Connor would have voted for Ledbetter, but if you&#8217;re referring to <i>Bazemore</i> in saying that O&#8217;Connor &#8220;dissented in the prior case that the Ledbetter minority relied on to justify its reasoning,&#8221; I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s exactly correct. In that case, O&#8217;Connor indeed joined Justice White&#8217;s opinion, but she also joined (as did every member of the court) that part of Justice Brennan&#8217;s opinion on which the <i>Ledbetter</i> dissenters rested.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Dodd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Dodd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,
Could you elaborate a little on your suggestion that &lt;i&gt;Massachusetts v. EPA&lt;/i&gt;&#039;s &quot;standing holding is quite fact-bound&quot;? I would have thought (&lt;a href=&quot;http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=988514&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;and have said&lt;/a&gt;) quite the opposite, that the standing aspect of the decision is by far the more far-reaching and destructive aspect of the case.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,<br />
Could you elaborate a little on your suggestion that <i>Massachusetts v. EPA</i>&#8216;s &#8220;standing holding is quite fact-bound&#8221;? I would have thought (<a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=988514" rel="nofollow">and have said</a>) quite the opposite, that the standing aspect of the decision is by far the more far-reaching and destructive aspect of the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Scheidegger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Scheidegger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger, there are a couple of errors in your comment in addition to the one Taylor has already noted.   First, Dickson&#039;s case did not go unexamined.  It was examined by the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals on direct appeal, the state trial court on state habeas, the CCA again, the Federal District Court on federal habeas, and the Federal Court of Appeals on appeal from that ruling.
Second, you spelled my name wrong.
On the point of the main post, Tom is a little too dismissive of the Texas cases in claiming a &quot;clean sweep&quot; for &quot;conservatives.&quot;  The Texas cases constitute further implementation of a line of cases that was fundamentally wrong from the start.  It is disappointing to see the author of &lt;i&gt;Johnson&lt;/i&gt; v. &lt;i&gt;Texas&lt;/i&gt; abandon his previous efforts to limit this misguided line.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger, there are a couple of errors in your comment in addition to the one Taylor has already noted.   First, Dickson&#8217;s case did not go unexamined.  It was examined by the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals on direct appeal, the state trial court on state habeas, the CCA again, the Federal District Court on federal habeas, and the Federal Court of Appeals on appeal from that ruling.</p>
<p>Second, you spelled my name wrong.</p>
<p>On the point of the main post, Tom is a little too dismissive of the Texas cases in claiming a &#8220;clean sweep&#8221; for &#8220;conservatives.&#8221;  The Texas cases constitute further implementation of a line of cases that was fundamentally wrong from the start.  It is disappointing to see the author of <i>Johnson</i> v. <i>Texas</i> abandon his previous efforts to limit this misguided line.</p>
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