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		<title>By: Hartnett</title>
		<link>http://www.scotusblog.com/2006/02/government-detainees-have-no-constitutional-rights/#comment-8836</link>
		<dc:creator>Hartnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I donâ€™t think that Bollman can be dismissed so readily as dictum.  Bollmanâ€™s counsel argued that the Supreme Court  had the inherent authority to issue writs of habeas corpus.  (Swartoutâ€™s counsel, having made and lost a similar argument in Marbury regarding mandamus, did not do so again.)  Marshall began the opinion for the court by responding to this argument:
â€œAs preliminary to any investigation of the merits of this motion, this court deems it proper to declare that it disclaims all jurisdiction not given by the constitution, or by the laws of the United States.
Courts which originate in the common law possess a jurisdiction which must be regulated by their common law, until some statute shall change their established principles; but courts which are created by written law, and whose jurisdiction is defined by written law, cannot transcend that jurisdiction. It is unnecessary to state the reasoning on which this opinion is founded, because it has been repeatedly given by this court; and with the decisions heretofore rendered on this point, no member of the bench has, even for an instant, been dissatisfied. The reasoning from the bar, in relation to it, may be answered by the single observation, that for the meaning of the term habeas corpus, resort may unquestionably be had to the common law; but the power to award the writ by any of the courts of the United States, must be given by written law.
This opinion is not to be considered as abridging the power of courts over their own officers, or to protect themselves, and their members, from being disturbed in the exercise of their functions. It extends only to the power of taking cognizance of any question between individuals, or between the government and individuals.
To enable the court to decide on such question, the power to determine it must he given by written law.
The inquiry therefore on this motion will be, whether by any statute, compatible with the constitution of the United States, the power to award a writ of habeas corpus, in such a case as that of Erick Bollman and Samuel Swartwout, has been given to this court.â€
In other words, part of the rationale for the decision was that the Court had to rely on the statute because it otherwise would have lacked the authority to issue the writ.
And even if this statement in Bollman can be treated as dictum, it is foundational and deeply embedded in the law of habeas corpus.  As the Supreme Court put it in 1996, â€œwe have long recognized that â€˜the power to award the writ by any of the courts of the United States, must be given by written law.â€™â€ Felker v. Turpin, 518 U.S. 651 (citing Bollman).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I donâ€™t think that Bollman can be dismissed so readily as dictum.  Bollmanâ€™s counsel argued that the Supreme Court  had the inherent authority to issue writs of habeas corpus.  (Swartoutâ€™s counsel, having made and lost a similar argument in Marbury regarding mandamus, did not do so again.)  Marshall began the opinion for the court by responding to this argument:</p>
<p>â€œAs preliminary to any investigation of the merits of this motion, this court deems it proper to declare that it disclaims all jurisdiction not given by the constitution, or by the laws of the United States.</p>
<p>Courts which originate in the common law possess a jurisdiction which must be regulated by their common law, until some statute shall change their established principles; but courts which are created by written law, and whose jurisdiction is defined by written law, cannot transcend that jurisdiction. It is unnecessary to state the reasoning on which this opinion is founded, because it has been repeatedly given by this court; and with the decisions heretofore rendered on this point, no member of the bench has, even for an instant, been dissatisfied. The reasoning from the bar, in relation to it, may be answered by the single observation, that for the meaning of the term habeas corpus, resort may unquestionably be had to the common law; but the power to award the writ by any of the courts of the United States, must be given by written law.</p>
<p>This opinion is not to be considered as abridging the power of courts over their own officers, or to protect themselves, and their members, from being disturbed in the exercise of their functions. It extends only to the power of taking cognizance of any question between individuals, or between the government and individuals.</p>
<p>To enable the court to decide on such question, the power to determine it must he given by written law.</p>
<p>The inquiry therefore on this motion will be, whether by any statute, compatible with the constitution of the United States, the power to award a writ of habeas corpus, in such a case as that of Erick Bollman and Samuel Swartwout, has been given to this court.â€</p>
<p>In other words, part of the rationale for the decision was that the Court had to rely on the statute because it otherwise would have lacked the authority to issue the writ.</p>
<p>And even if this statement in Bollman can be treated as dictum, it is foundational and deeply embedded in the law of habeas corpus.  As the Supreme Court put it in 1996, â€œwe have long recognized that â€˜the power to award the writ by any of the courts of the United States, must be given by written law.â€™â€ Felker v. Turpin, 518 U.S. 651 (citing Bollman).</p>
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		<title>By: ohwilleke</title>
		<link>http://www.scotusblog.com/2006/02/government-detainees-have-no-constitutional-rights/#comment-8835</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the fundamental points of Rasul is that Guantanamo Bay is not a foreign country.  This is the main point where I think the Justice Department is ignoring the precedent.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the fundamental points of Rasul is that Guantanamo Bay is not a foreign country.  This is the main point where I think the Justice Department is ignoring the precedent.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Scheidegger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Scheidegger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harnett, thanks for the info on recusal.  Regarding Bollman, the language you refer to is dictum, not holding.  Given that the First Congress did provide for habeas by statute, there has not been an occasion to decide if federal-court habeas is constitutionally required for federal prisoners.  (The original Judiciary Act did categorically forbid federal habeas for state prisoners, so that is not in doubt unless one subscribes to the &quot;living constitution&quot; doctrine.)
I do not think it will be necessary in the Guantanamo cases to decide if the Suspension Clause requires the writ of habeas corpus in its common law extent, because these prisoners are not within the common law extent.  (More on that coming next week, if the Court hasn&#039;t drop-kicked the case by then.)
Expanding on Richard&#039;s comment, &lt;i&gt;Rasul&lt;/i&gt; expressly distinguished &lt;i&gt;Eisentrager&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; constitutional holding from its statutory one.  It is still good law on the constitutional point.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harnett, thanks for the info on recusal.  Regarding Bollman, the language you refer to is dictum, not holding.  Given that the First Congress did provide for habeas by statute, there has not been an occasion to decide if federal-court habeas is constitutionally required for federal prisoners.  (The original Judiciary Act did categorically forbid federal habeas for state prisoners, so that is not in doubt unless one subscribes to the &#8220;living constitution&#8221; doctrine.)</p>
<p>I do not think it will be necessary in the Guantanamo cases to decide if the Suspension Clause requires the writ of habeas corpus in its common law extent, because these prisoners are not within the common law extent.  (More on that coming next week, if the Court hasn&#8217;t drop-kicked the case by then.)</p>
<p>Expanding on Richard&#8217;s comment, <i>Rasul</i> expressly distinguished <i>Eisentrager&#8217;s</i> constitutional holding from its statutory one.  It is still good law on the constitutional point.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Samp</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe it is fair to suggest that the Justice Department is &quot;disregard[ing]&quot; Rasul v. Bush.  That decision interpreted the habeas statute, 18 USC 2241, as granting federal courts jurisdiction to hear the claims of Guantantamo detainees.  Following that decision, Congress amended Sec. 2241 to remove that jurisdiction from the courts.  Hamdan can (and does) argue that Congress did not intend its actions to apply retroactively to him and, in the alternative, any effort to strip the federal courts of habeas jurisdiction is unconstitutional.  But Rasul does not speak to either of those two claims; rather, it was a statutory-interpretation decision involving a statute that has since been amended.  Justice Scalia wrote in dissent that he &quot;would leave it to Congress to change Section 2241.&quot;  The fact that Congress has taken Justice Scalia up on his invitation certainly does not mean that the Justice Department (by arguing for its interpretation of the DTA) is adopting the dissenting position and ignoring the majority opinion.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe it is fair to suggest that the Justice Department is &#8220;disregard[ing]&#8221; Rasul v. Bush.  That decision interpreted the habeas statute, 18 USC 2241, as granting federal courts jurisdiction to hear the claims of Guantantamo detainees.  Following that decision, Congress amended Sec. 2241 to remove that jurisdiction from the courts.  Hamdan can (and does) argue that Congress did not intend its actions to apply retroactively to him and, in the alternative, any effort to strip the federal courts of habeas jurisdiction is unconstitutional.  But Rasul does not speak to either of those two claims; rather, it was a statutory-interpretation decision involving a statute that has since been amended.  Justice Scalia wrote in dissent that he &#8220;would leave it to Congress to change Section 2241.&#8221;  The fact that Congress has taken Justice Scalia up on his invitation certainly does not mean that the Justice Department (by arguing for its interpretation of the DTA) is adopting the dissenting position and ignoring the majority opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: ohwilleke</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Justice Department argument closely echos the dissenting opinion of Justice Scalia in the Rasul v. Bush case which was joined by Thomas and Rehnquist.
That opinion begins:
&quot;The Court today holds that the habeas statute, 28 U.S.C. Â§ 2241 extends to aliens detained by the United States military overseas, outside the sovereign borders of the United States and beyond the territorial jurisdictions of all its courts. This is not only a novel holding; it contradicts a half-century-old precedent on which the military undoubtedly relied, Johnson v. Eisentrager, 339 U.S. 763 (1950). The Courtâ€™s contention that Eisentrager was somehow negated by Braden v. 30th Judicial Circuit Court of Ky., 410 U.S. 484 (1973)â€“a decision that dealt with a different issue and did not so much as mention Eisentragerâ€“is implausible in the extreme. This is an irresponsible overturning of settled law in a matter of extreme importance to our forces currently in the field. I would leave it to Congress to change Â§2241, and dissent from the Courtâ€™s unprecedented holding.&quot;
Since when are dissenting opinions the law, and majority opinions to be disregarded.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Justice Department argument closely echos the dissenting opinion of Justice Scalia in the Rasul v. Bush case which was joined by Thomas and Rehnquist.</p>
<p>That opinion begins:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Court today holds that the habeas statute, 28 U.S.C. Â§ 2241 extends to aliens detained by the United States military overseas, outside the sovereign borders of the United States and beyond the territorial jurisdictions of all its courts. This is not only a novel holding; it contradicts a half-century-old precedent on which the military undoubtedly relied, Johnson v. Eisentrager, 339 U.S. 763 (1950). The Courtâ€™s contention that Eisentrager was somehow negated by Braden v. 30th Judicial Circuit Court of Ky., 410 U.S. 484 (1973)â€“a decision that dealt with a different issue and did not so much as mention Eisentragerâ€“is implausible in the extreme. This is an irresponsible overturning of settled law in a matter of extreme importance to our forces currently in the field. I would leave it to Congress to change Â§2241, and dissent from the Courtâ€™s unprecedented holding.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since when are dissenting opinions the law, and majority opinions to be disregarded.</p>
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		<title>By: ohwilleke</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Rasul v. Bush case (citiations omitted) held as follows in the majority 6-3 opinion:
&quot;As explained above, Eisentrager itself erects no bar to the exercise of federal court jurisdiction over the petitionersâ€™ habeas corpus claims. It therefore certainly does not bar the exercise of federal-court jurisdiction over claims that merely implicate the â€œsame category of laws listed in the habeas corpus statute.â€ But in any event, nothing in Eisentrager or in any of our other cases categorically excludes aliens detained in military custody outside the United States from the â€œ â€˜privilege of litigationâ€™ â€ in U.S. courts. The courts of the United States have traditionally been open to nonresident aliens. And indeed, 28 U.S.C. Â§ 1350 explicitly confers the privilege of suing for an actionable â€œtort â€¦ committed in violation of the law of nations or a treaty of the United Statesâ€ on aliens alone. The fact that petitioners in these cases are being held in military custody is immaterial to the question of the District Courtâ€™s jurisdiction over their nonhabeas statutory claims.
VI
Whether and what further proceedings may become necessary after respondents make their response to the merits of petitionersâ€™ claims are matters that we need not address now. What is presently at stake is only whether the federal courts have jurisdiction to determine the legality of the Executiveâ€™s potentially indefinite detention of individuals who claim to be wholly innocent of wrongdoing. Answering that question in the affirmative, we reverse the judgment of the Court of Appeals and remand for the District Court to consider in the first instance the merits of petitionersâ€™ claims.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Rasul v. Bush case (citiations omitted) held as follows in the majority 6-3 opinion:</p>
<p>&#8220;As explained above, Eisentrager itself erects no bar to the exercise of federal court jurisdiction over the petitionersâ€™ habeas corpus claims. It therefore certainly does not bar the exercise of federal-court jurisdiction over claims that merely implicate the â€œsame category of laws listed in the habeas corpus statute.â€ But in any event, nothing in Eisentrager or in any of our other cases categorically excludes aliens detained in military custody outside the United States from the â€œ â€˜privilege of litigationâ€™ â€ in U.S. courts. The courts of the United States have traditionally been open to nonresident aliens. And indeed, 28 U.S.C. Â§ 1350 explicitly confers the privilege of suing for an actionable â€œtort â€¦ committed in violation of the law of nations or a treaty of the United Statesâ€ on aliens alone. The fact that petitioners in these cases are being held in military custody is immaterial to the question of the District Courtâ€™s jurisdiction over their nonhabeas statutory claims.</p>
<p>VI</p>
<p>Whether and what further proceedings may become necessary after respondents make their response to the merits of petitionersâ€™ claims are matters that we need not address now. What is presently at stake is only whether the federal courts have jurisdiction to determine the legality of the Executiveâ€™s potentially indefinite detention of individuals who claim to be wholly innocent of wrongdoing. Answering that question in the affirmative, we reverse the judgment of the Court of Appeals and remand for the District Court to consider in the first instance the merits of petitionersâ€™ claims.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Hartnett</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the possible outcome: The legal landscape has changed since Rasul and Hamdi. Congress has amended the habeas statute. If that amendment applies to pending cases -- a big if -- any attempt to exercise habeas jurisdiction runs aground on the landmark decision in Ex parte Bollman, 8 US 75 (1807). Bollman insisted that federal courts, including the Supreme Court, lack the power to issue habeas unless that power is given by statute. That may be a reason to interpret the amendment not to apply to pending cases, although such an interpretation only defers the problem to later cases. Does anyone think it is likely that Bollman will be overruled? Note in this regard what I think may be the most significant aspect of the President&#039;s signing statement, &quot;The executive branch shall construe Title X in Division A of the Act, relating to detainees, in a manner . . . consistent with the constitutional limitations on the judicial power . . . . &quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the possible outcome: The legal landscape has changed since Rasul and Hamdi. Congress has amended the habeas statute. If that amendment applies to pending cases &#8212; a big if &#8212; any attempt to exercise habeas jurisdiction runs aground on the landmark decision in Ex parte Bollman, 8 US 75 (1807). Bollman insisted that federal courts, including the Supreme Court, lack the power to issue habeas unless that power is given by statute. That may be a reason to interpret the amendment not to apply to pending cases, although such an interpretation only defers the problem to later cases. Does anyone think it is likely that Bollman will be overruled? Note in this regard what I think may be the most significant aspect of the President&#8217;s signing statement, &#8220;The executive branch shall construe Title X in Division A of the Act, relating to detainees, in a manner . . . consistent with the constitutional limitations on the judicial power . . . . &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Hartnett</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding recusal: Prior to the Evarts Act of 1891, it was common for district judges holding the old circuit court to hear appeals from their own decisions. The Evarts Act created the circuit courts of appeals and gave the Supreme Court, for the first time, the discretionary power to select some cases by means of the writ of certiorari. It also barred a &quot;judge before whom a cause or question may have been tried or heard in a district court, or existing circuits court&quot; from sitting on &quot;the trial or hearing of such cause or question in the circuit court of appeals.&quot; The descendant of this provision is now codified at 28 USC 47. While neither the Evarts Act provision nor 28 USC 47 directly applies to a Supreme Court Justice who heard a case in the court of appeals, it is closely analogous.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding recusal: Prior to the Evarts Act of 1891, it was common for district judges holding the old circuit court to hear appeals from their own decisions. The Evarts Act created the circuit courts of appeals and gave the Supreme Court, for the first time, the discretionary power to select some cases by means of the writ of certiorari. It also barred a &#8220;judge before whom a cause or question may have been tried or heard in a district court, or existing circuits court&#8221; from sitting on &#8220;the trial or hearing of such cause or question in the circuit court of appeals.&#8221; The descendant of this provision is now codified at 28 USC 47. While neither the Evarts Act provision nor 28 USC 47 directly applies to a Supreme Court Justice who heard a case in the court of appeals, it is closely analogous.</p>
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		<title>By: Stella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the Justice Department argued: &quot;The Constitution does not guarantee aliens held abroad a right to habeas corpus.&quot;
In either Hamdi or Padilla, I forget which, there was some stipulation over who holds sovereignty over Gitmo.  The Justice Departments statement of &#039;held abroad&#039; is unclear in this regard.  Are they speaking of rendition?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the Justice Department argued: &#8220;The Constitution does not guarantee aliens held abroad a right to habeas corpus.&#8221;</p>
<p>In either Hamdi or Padilla, I forget which, there was some stipulation over who holds sovereignty over Gitmo.  The Justice Departments statement of &#8216;held abroad&#8217; is unclear in this regard.  Are they speaking of rendition?</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Simon (and anyone else who may know), why do you think Chief Justice Roberts will participate in this case, after having been a member of the panel on the Court of Appeals?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Well, that&#039;s a fair point, but even if he recuses, I would say that only goes to strengthen my point (viz., that the majority opinion in &lt;i&gt;Hamdi&lt;/i&gt; was the best the government would get out of that case, then or now), doesn&#039;t it?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Simon (and anyone else who may know), why do you think Chief Justice Roberts will participate in this case, after having been a member of the panel on the Court of Appeals?</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s a fair point, but even if he recuses, I would say that only goes to strengthen my point (viz., that the majority opinion in <i>Hamdi</i> was the best the government would get out of that case, then or now), doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
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