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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.scotusblog.com/2005/10/analysis-some-initial-thoughts/#comment-8055</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.scotusblog.com/2005/10/analysis-some-initial-thoughts/#comment-8054</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Texas52-
A couple of points here. You&#039;re right, of course, that a case is won or lost on a majority vote of five out of nine. But in such a context, surely the right answer is not simply the answer with which less Justices disagree? It seems to me that the right answer is that which can most clearly and coherently put forward. I don&#039;t often agree with Justice Breyer, but he is certainly a worthy adversary to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.joink.com/homes/users/ninoville&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Our Hero&lt;/a&gt;; he has not attained that status, nor often won cases, simply by offering an answer which might be right, he has done so, surely, by putting forward a compelling intellectual case for his view of the case. &quot;I feel strongly about this&quot;, or &quot;this result seems fair&quot; won&#039;t cut it.
Which leads me onto the second point, which is as a rejoinder to your note that &quot;the variety of life experiences, outside the ivory tower of academe and the appellate courts, in which you see the consequences of your actions, listen to other people&#039;s views...that would make for a good jurist&quot;. While no one would disagree that listening to other people&#039;s views is a bad thing, I am not so convinced that either her experience as a lawyer is a good thing, untethered from an intellectual counterbalance as a Judge or academic, or that her experience in the trenches is a good thing. I explained my concern on the first point &lt;a href=&quot;http://simondodd.org/noise2signal/default.asp?view=singleentry&amp;entry=194&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. To the other point, my concern would be that experience with the real-world consequences of one&#039;s judgements is likely to make a Justice pause to consider whether a ruling which is constitutionally necessary should be made if it had far-reaching practical effects. In my view, a Justice should not entertain such concerns. For example, in &lt;a href=&quot;http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&amp;vol=000&amp;invol=02-1632#dissent1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Blakely v. Washington&lt;/a&gt;, I do not think that Justices O&#039;Connor and Kennedy were necessarily mistaken in their dire predictions. My point in rebuttal would simply be &quot;so?&quot;. The bill of rights was written to protect basic rights; in my view, it was not written to make government &lt;b&gt;easy&lt;/b&gt;, it was written to make it &lt;b&gt;hard&lt;/b&gt;. Justice Scalia&#039;s majority opinion rightly point-blank ignores the concerns of the dissents, because they are immaterial to the point at hand.
My concern is that Miers is too likely to be result-oriented; she has a background in a results-oriented career, without firm anchorage in constitutional theory, and her experience in the trenches may make her like the General who has grown too fond of his men to order the assult.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Texas52-<br />
A couple of points here. You&#8217;re right, of course, that a case is won or lost on a majority vote of five out of nine. But in such a context, surely the right answer is not simply the answer with which less Justices disagree? It seems to me that the right answer is that which can most clearly and coherently put forward. I don&#8217;t often agree with Justice Breyer, but he is certainly a worthy adversary to <a href="http://www.joink.com/homes/users/ninoville" rel="nofollow">Our Hero</a>; he has not attained that status, nor often won cases, simply by offering an answer which might be right, he has done so, surely, by putting forward a compelling intellectual case for his view of the case. &#8220;I feel strongly about this&#8221;, or &#8220;this result seems fair&#8221; won&#8217;t cut it.</p>
<p>Which leads me onto the second point, which is as a rejoinder to your note that &#8220;the variety of life experiences, outside the ivory tower of academe and the appellate courts, in which you see the consequences of your actions, listen to other people&#8217;s views&#8230;that would make for a good jurist&#8221;. While no one would disagree that listening to other people&#8217;s views is a bad thing, I am not so convinced that either her experience as a lawyer is a good thing, untethered from an intellectual counterbalance as a Judge or academic, or that her experience in the trenches is a good thing. I explained my concern on the first point <a href="http://simondodd.org/noise2signal/default.asp?view=singleentry&#038;entry=194" rel="nofollow">here</a>. To the other point, my concern would be that experience with the real-world consequences of one&#8217;s judgements is likely to make a Justice pause to consider whether a ruling which is constitutionally necessary should be made if it had far-reaching practical effects. In my view, a Justice should not entertain such concerns. For example, in <a href="http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&#038;vol=000&#038;invol=02-1632#dissent1" rel="nofollow">Blakely v. Washington</a>, I do not think that Justices O&#8217;Connor and Kennedy were necessarily mistaken in their dire predictions. My point in rebuttal would simply be &#8220;so?&#8221;. The bill of rights was written to protect basic rights; in my view, it was not written to make government <b>easy</b>, it was written to make it <b>hard</b>. Justice Scalia&#8217;s majority opinion rightly point-blank ignores the concerns of the dissents, because they are immaterial to the point at hand.</p>
<p>My concern is that Miers is too likely to be result-oriented; she has a background in a results-oriented career, without firm anchorage in constitutional theory, and her experience in the trenches may make her like the General who has grown too fond of his men to order the assult.</p>
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		<title>By: Texas52</title>
		<link>http://www.scotusblog.com/2005/10/analysis-some-initial-thoughts/#comment-8053</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 20:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon, from what I have read Ms. Miers worked with a group of people who had divergent views and tried to reach a consensus. Last time I checked it still takes five votes on the Court to win. Is that not a &quot;majoritarian enterprise&quot;? What I was really thinking of, though is just the variety of life experiences, outside the ivory tower of academe and the appellate courts, in which you see the consequences of your actions, listen to other people&#039;s views, etc. that would make for a good jurist.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon, from what I have read Ms. Miers worked with a group of people who had divergent views and tried to reach a consensus. Last time I checked it still takes five votes on the Court to win. Is that not a &#8220;majoritarian enterprise&#8221;? What I was really thinking of, though is just the variety of life experiences, outside the ivory tower of academe and the appellate courts, in which you see the consequences of your actions, listen to other people&#8217;s views, etc. that would make for a good jurist.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Shepherd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Shepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 18:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Jack Davis: she is not &quot;totally unqualified.&quot; Numerous Justices have served with qualifications comparable, or indeed inferior, to hers. However, it is fair to say she is less qualified than the typical nominee, and it is difficult to see why the President thought this was an advantage.
The President could appoint his pet dog, and at least *some* Senators would come to his defense. That&#039;s how party politics work. When Nixon appointed Carswell and Hainsworth in the 1970s (neither of whom was confirmed), it was pointed out that they were mediocre. One of the Senators replied, &quot;Shouldn&#039;t the mediocre citizens of this country have a voice on the Court?&quot; (Sorry I don&#039;t remember the exact quote, but it went something like that.)
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<p>The President could appoint his pet dog, and at least *some* Senators would come to his defense. That&#8217;s how party politics work. When Nixon appointed Carswell and Hainsworth in the 1970s (neither of whom was confirmed), it was pointed out that they were mediocre. One of the Senators replied, &#8220;Shouldn&#8217;t the mediocre citizens of this country have a voice on the Court?&#8221; (Sorry I don&#8217;t remember the exact quote, but it went something like that.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Davis</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She is totally unqualified. She has never practiced constitutional law. This is rank cronyism. On a side note, apparently the United States Senate has lost its mind. Somehow, it is an &lt;i&gt;advantage&lt;/i&gt; that Miers has no judicial experience (see John Coryn, loyal Republican hack). In no other field of life,that I am aware of, is experience a negative thing. Miers, unfortunately, will be easily confirmed.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She is totally unqualified. She has never practiced constitutional law. This is rank cronyism. On a side note, apparently the United States Senate has lost its mind. Somehow, it is an <i>advantage</i> that Miers has no judicial experience (see John Coryn, loyal Republican hack). In no other field of life,that I am aware of, is experience a negative thing. Miers, unfortunately, will be easily confirmed.</p>
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		<title>By: Houston's Clear Thinkers</title>
		<link>http://www.scotusblog.com/2005/10/analysis-some-initial-thoughts/#comment-8064</link>
		<dc:creator>Houston's Clear Thinkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Can&#039;t say I expected this&lt;/strong&gt;
President Bush has nominated White House counsel and Dallas-based attorney Harriet Miers to replace Sandra Day O&#039;Connor on the Supreme Court of the United States. Ms. Miers has never been a judge before, the first such non-judge nomination since that...
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<p>President Bush has nominated White House counsel and Dallas-based attorney Harriet Miers to replace Sandra Day O&#8217;Connor on the Supreme Court of the United States. Ms. Miers has never been a judge before, the first such non-judge nomination since that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Shepherd</title>
		<link>http://www.scotusblog.com/2005/10/analysis-some-initial-thoughts/#comment-8050</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Shepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dale Griblle asked, &quot;Who said only Democrats may filibuster an unsatisfactory nomination?&quot;
Technically, anybody can filibuster. But generally, filibusters are a technique the minority employs to thwart the majority. The Republicans are already in the majority, so if they want to defeat Miers, they have plenty of other ways to do it.
The President&#039;s spin machine is in overdrive, and I&#039;d say it&#039;s clear that Miers will be confirmed unless (and this is a big caveat) there are some serious blots on her background that have not yet come to light.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dale Griblle asked, &#8220;Who said only Democrats may filibuster an unsatisfactory nomination?&#8221;</p>
<p>Technically, anybody can filibuster. But generally, filibusters are a technique the minority employs to thwart the majority. The Republicans are already in the majority, so if they want to defeat Miers, they have plenty of other ways to do it.</p>
<p>The President&#8217;s spin machine is in overdrive, and I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s clear that Miers will be confirmed unless (and this is a big caveat) there are some serious blots on her background that have not yet come to light.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Texas52 - in re point(2), by definition, elective office is a majoritarian enterprise. If she has held elective office, what might holding elective office teach a person other than that the &quot;right&quot; answer is the one that pleases the majority?
Dale - if the GOP now turns around and filibusters Myers, we will look preposterous, hypocritical and absurd. Likewise, I disagreed at the time with the strategy of saying &quot;the Senate should defer to the President, just worry about whether he&#039;s qualified&quot; - now conservatives in the Senate, who likely (hopefully) share the concerns of those of us online, have backed themselves into a corner where they cannot vote against Miers with a straight face.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Texas52 &#8211; in re point(2), by definition, elective office is a majoritarian enterprise. If she has held elective office, what might holding elective office teach a person other than that the &#8220;right&#8221; answer is the one that pleases the majority?</p>
<p>Dale &#8211; if the GOP now turns around and filibusters Myers, we will look preposterous, hypocritical and absurd. Likewise, I disagreed at the time with the strategy of saying &#8220;the Senate should defer to the President, just worry about whether he&#8217;s qualified&#8221; &#8211; now conservatives in the Senate, who likely (hopefully) share the concerns of those of us online, have backed themselves into a corner where they cannot vote against Miers with a straight face.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Simon</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 03:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Miers will not get confirmed.
Where I differ is that I think it is &lt;a href=&quot;http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2005/10/wild-conspiracy-theory.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Janice Rogers Brown all the way&lt;/a&gt;.
Bush gives the Democrats a moderate who can&#039;t pass muster and then puts up a libertarian Black Republican female who has already got a Senate endorsement on paper.
Makes sense to me.
We shall see.
First step. Defeat Miers.
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<p>Where I differ is that I think it is <a href="http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2005/10/wild-conspiracy-theory.html" rel="nofollow">Janice Rogers Brown all the way</a>.</p>
<p>Bush gives the Democrats a moderate who can&#8217;t pass muster and then puts up a libertarian Black Republican female who has already got a Senate endorsement on paper.</p>
<p>Makes sense to me.</p>
<p>We shall see.</p>
<p>First step. Defeat Miers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Franklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 00:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Candidly, I&#039;m a little surprised by the quick, almost rash, judgments issued over Ms. Miers&#039; appointment.  It would seem that this individual has accomplished as much, if not more, than other justices in terms of legal experience.  I look forward to hearing more, and certainly await her appearing before the Senate for questioning.  Patience is necessary.
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